― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link
I just feel like this is a little silly. Like when someone's speaking English and they say the word "Guatemala" but they do the guttaral 'g'/hard 't' "correct" pronunciation, it seems way more affected than just speaking with an American accent (oh no, Americans with American accents!).
― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link
"Muslim" is a word in the English langauge, yes, it was originally from Arabic but it's now an English word - like Kayak or something... and you don't pronounce that with an Inuit accent
― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link
So why don't you pronounce Bjork like it's pronounced, too? (Rhymes with "work.")
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost, first of all, it's not "dumbing it down," that's what I'm trying to say. Secondly, what's gained is not having to overanalyze and correct how people naturally speak and just letting them communicate, which is what language is for in the first place.
― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link
i don't wanna overdo it. plus, i hate bjork. fuck her.
French people don't say "hamburger," they say "'amboorgare." Is that 'incorrect'?
yes.
― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link
Or a French version of an English version of a German word.
― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link
Errrrrrrrrrrr, not really how these things work you'll find
― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's stupid and annoying. It's like spelling crazy with a k.
― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link
Whereas with Kraftwek you are kind of asked to make some unusual sounds -- and, in the case of the "kraaaft-vairk" types Jaymc is talking about, to affect an unfamiliar method of pronouncing familiar phonemes. So I tend to say "craft - verk," which, when pronounced American-English style, is almost completely indistinguishable from "craft - work."
I.e. rule = if you can say it naturally in your normal English-based speaking voice, then do it. If you can't, don't sweat it. (Though I'm never particularly annoyed by people who know how to say things "right," unless they seem to be making a big show of it.)
(This reminds me of my high school civics teacher, who'd get on all the Mexican students' cases about Americanized pronunciation: "Your name is not Flow-rez, it is FlorES!")
― nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link
NB my rule on this is informed by the fact that there is a hard S sound in my name that I can successfully pronounce on maybe 10% of attempts, and even then only if I let myself sound like a total jackass trying. I certainly can't expect other people to say it properly, so the most I ask is that people say things as well as they can within their usual phonetic sets.
― nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
Haha, see I totally say Vim Venders, because I've never ever heard anyone pronounce those W's Anglo-style.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link
TORTURE.
― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
twelfth is the only word that has ccvccc, i think. (/th/ is one phoneme)
― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link
"Schmo" is good. Amanda, I said "five-letter words." The thing that's interesting about it to me is that the vowel is at the very end and nowhere else.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link
"Up-side the head"
Anything with the word "munch" as the root.
when people type the words "sigh", or "shrug". If you went through the trouble to type 'shrug', maybe it kind of negates the whole fucking thing?
When people say or type "gotcha".
"Howdy""Okeedokee"
Any catchphrases from old comedies such as Wayne's World, Ace Ventura, or Austin Powers, will cause me to reconsider our friendship.
― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link
munchkin?
NOT! (as if.)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh, if this thread were about annoying internet words and phrases, I would have much more to contribute here.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link
But Americans don't say "on the weekend" (which strikes me as interchangeable with "at the weekend" in its Britishness); they say, "over the weekend."
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link
no. it has a very specific origin, and came into use by members of a community who understood and referred back to that origin. it implies, if anything, disrespect for the hands-off approach the media takes with respect to the administration.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link