Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

no because it has Greys

I thought it had been mentioned in passing in another story...

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Area_51

Apparently in Sarah Jane Adventures, not regular canon Who

i thought the first Dalek episode of nu-Who took place in area 51, but i just checked and it actually took place in Utah. I also forgot that it introduced Adam - just about one of the least memorable companions ever, but i guess that was the point of his character.

Obviously, River and the Doctor aren't living literally back-to-front and she must have known this because didn't she only just meet the Doctor at two different points in his life at the same time (future dead doctor, and doctor who hasn't kissed her yet)? but it's true generally speaking, i suppose.

btw anyone considered that the Time Child is their baby and not Amy's? Maybe the picture was a red herring, like "here is doctor-babby and her aunt amy".

I did consider that

Other things to consider: River is Time Babby, Amy is Time Babby

I wonder if Moffatt ever saw the thing Lawrence Miles did in the books with the humanoid TARDISes

Neil Gaiman, on the other hand...

I hated almost all the romantic stuff in the Rusty era (exception being the Girl In The Fireplace and maybe some of the stuff with Rose's dad) but the emotional dynamic in the Tardis at the moment is fantastic. Almost welled up a bit when River realised that was the last time she'd kiss the Doctor (except it might not be, I doubt the timelines are as straightforward as River thinks they are). Like that the Doctor is in some ways the most clueless person in the Tardis right now.

There seemed to be big holes in this episode but I'd be very surprised if it isn't revisited in the finale or before. We're definitely going to see Canton again, and no way is that the end of the Silence.

Regenerating child was a proper wau moment though, didn't see that coming AT ALL, but there has to be a way out of Rusty's kill-all-the-Timelords cul-de-sac and a second generation would be a straightforward way to do that. Also, the Doctor had a granddaughter once upon a time, which suggest sex at some point, not ruling out River being a second-gen Timelord.

I was okay with the moon-landing footage bit, it just about makes sense.

Did we ever find out what actually caused the crack in the end, or is that still to come?

Next week's looks much more straightforward but still fun though, who's writing it? Surely they can't fuck up a pirate episode.

I thought it was the explosion of the TARDIS at the end of last season that caused the crack...?

yep. first explosion of the Tardis caused the cracks, the second explosion (occurring at the same time as the first) fixed the cracks and everything that had disappeared in them - Rory, Amy's parents, etc.

Like that the Doctor is in some ways the most clueless person in the Tardis right now.

^^this. Also surprisingly liking Rory now after his whole 2000 years guarding the pandorica bit.

Things still unresolved:

1) future Doctor death
2) weird eye-patch lady who Amy sees just before she comes across little-girl astronaut/time-babby.
3) little-girl astronaut.
4) Astronaut what killed the doctor, if it isn't the same little-girl astronaut
5) the tardis that the silence built/the (different? same?) abandoned tardis that flew off in The Lodger.
6) Amy's fluctuating pregnancy.

anything else?

oh and I love Canton/Romo Lampkin. He's super fun as Crowley on Supernatural too.

“But finally,” Mr. Panetta said, “Admiral McCraven came back and said that he had picked up the word ‘Geronimo,’ which was the code word that represented that they got Bin Laden.”

River is Time Babby, Amy is Time Babby

TIME BABBY IS THE MASTER

Romana/Rasilo/The Rani/All of Gallifrey

Rory is A ROMAN. Eh?

he was a Roman, but he got better

Also unresolved - why the Silence were bothering to manipulate human history and building a Tardis in the first place.

So they could get into James Corden's Spare bedroom.

Next week's looks much more straightforward but still fun though, who's writing it? Surely they can't fuck up a pirate episode

Steve Thompson, who doesn't seem to have done much before. Although he wrote the second episode of Sherlock, which was the weakest of the three imo.

I had actually considered the Time Babby as The Master, but I think the Moff is keeping the lid on that character for the time being. It could be an interesting move to bring back the TIme Lords, but not so soon after the massive damp squib of the Rusty finale. First half was like OMG IT'S THE TIMELORDS WHOA! then come the second episode they're dispatched with easily enough and it's 20 minutes of sentimentality.

I do know Corden is coming back. I don't think that's any big secret. But not until the second half of this season. The Frances Barber character is being revealed quite soon I think, but who she is, good/bad/whatever I know not.

I have a friend who's being a bit grumpy about the whole enterprise. Feels Moffat is throwing in too many unanswered questions and plot points at the expense of story and emotional engagement. I can sympathise with that up to a point - there's a danger it could all get a bit too clever - but it's early days yet. Plus I'm really intrigued by TIME BABBY!!!

Sorry if I'm being a bit spoilerific - I'm a little tipsy.

I do know Corden is coming back.

Arrrrrrrrrgh fuck off.

Hey, I'm just the messenger! :) This was widely trailed well before the season started. As insufferable as I find him when he's being himself, he was fine in The Lodger. I guess the Clown we saw in the season trailer has something to do with the clown in the painting in Craig's hallway in The Lodger... Maybe some connection to the Silence? Or perhaps Craig has a particularly unlucky flat in that it's hosted two baddies.

That Cordon reveal would have had aldo hung, drawn and quartered.

I really enjoyed the creepy forget-what-I-just-saw concept of the Silents. Creepy enough to have me seeing them where they weren't, such as hanging upside down on the wall pretending to be a woman in a white dress.

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Hey, I'm just the messenger! :)

So fucking don't be.

This was widely trailed well before the season started.

...no it fucking wasn't. We* literally did not get any in-series promotional material in-house until four days before UK TX of the first ep (10 days before ours) and have not shown anything beyond week-to-week trails

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To be fair, my 'fuck off' was at the presence of Corden, not at the spoiler. I don't really mind as long as it's not an explicit plot reveal.

cordren is the time babby. also, why do british people hate him? who is he?

He's a deeply unfunny and obnoxious 'comedian'.

he was good in his dr who ep though

He had a beef with Capt. Picard, yeah?

He's a perfectly fine actor, possibly even good. But he's been everywhere for the last few years, which would make everyone sick of him even if his public persona wasn't a loutish, thick, ladsy gobshite. And it is. So everyone really hates him.

He's a perfectly fine actor, possibly even good.

Also a v. good writer (co-wrote Gavin and Stacey). I think the hate is disproportionate, but then again I don't pay much attention to his laddish gobshitery (he was a bit rude to Patrick Stewart and a bit rude to um, her that won the Mercury Music Prize - Speech Debelle, was it?), and only really watch him in things he's acting in rather than being himself. His presence doesn't stop me watching things (see also over-reaction to initial introduction of Catherine Tate, a very good character actress with a terrible TV sketch show), but I had no idea he was coming back and feel a little spoiled now. I don't think I'd even have considered the connections to The Lodger had it not been brought up in this thread, tbh.

btw, I do read a lot of internets and watch a lot of telly and read a few newspapers, so it's not like I'm hermetically sealed off from news and deliberately-placed spoilers. But the return of Corden is news to me.

I would have figured Frances Barber to be famous enough not to be throwaway "woman with eyepatch" to assume she'd be back at some point.

I was thinking River was in the suit but surely she would have remembered that whole setting and wouldn't have been as shocked as Amy and Rory, so now I don't know who it was.

My guess is that it was River Song in the suit, and that she was deliberately missing when she shot the astronaut?

However my theory that River Song is a future regeneration of the Doctor is pretty much shot now they've snogged.

Jeezo, sorry I spoke! But then some people think that an episode's title is a spoiler. I thought the Corden thing was quite widely known. They announced a whole bunch of actors who were going to appear in this season. I suppose it's a bit different because we know who Corden's character is, but even then, it hardly ruins everything does it?

re spoilers: seems to me that the rule of thumb with this particular DW thread is if it hasn't aired yet, don't mention it. don't know why but people do get so worked up.

i mean, complaining about others talking abt the "next week on Doctor Who" part? people do leave their TVs on more than 10 seconds after the credits roll you know.

I thought the Corden thing was quite widely known.

Aldo (rightly imo) thought some stuff was quite widely known.

There is more to the Corden stuff that I think is interesting and that I think is quite widely known but this is probably no place for it. We should really have a separate "anything goes" thread that the spoiler wary can ignore.

the "Next Time"s being before the credits is the most infuriating thing about them

Surely the spoiler rule was established when the various territories showing Who were not *quite* so synched up? I can't be the only one supplementing this thread with io9 sneak peeks.

Suzy, there was even a poll which supported this kind of hard-line approach to spoilers. I wuz robbed, obv.

POLL: What constitues a "spoiler"? JimD and aldo disagree. Take sides here!

I've stuck by it, which is why I haven't been about that much - I'd rather wait till the series is over now. Corden's been known for a very long time, but I didn't actually think it had been announced in public?

that poll SUUUCKS

did you like DOTM aldo?

That poll SUUUCKS because only a handful of people voted in it! I certainly didn't and I would +1 the aldo stance.

Also three years ago US and UK did not get their Who the same day.

also 2 years ago, and 1 year ago, US did not get their Who on the same day.

Poll was in 2008, hence 'three years ago' caveat. ANYWAY maybe we should do a re-run?

maybe clean up the definitions a little too; you've got some tl;dr going on, i suspect

What?

actual TX sync isn't really the issue tho right? esp. given how rare it is. people usually avoid threads until they've seen the latest episode of a show (as i did with the Lost and BGalactica threads - spoilers seem to matter much more with SF huh?).

Corden spoiler is more of an issue because it indicates that the events of The Lodger will be addressed...but I would've thought people were expecting that anyway esp. after seeing the DIY TARDIS interior in the new episodes.

'Next week' reveals are what the makers want you to know ie mild/reasonable spoilers. I agree it shouldn't come before the credits tho.

I thought the first two-parter was OK, but suffered from Too Many Questions syndrome - Moff has built a plot that has mystery on mystery on mystery and there's a real danger that he can't resolve it all without having an ep which is just River Explains It All. She annoyed me from the outset with her smug "spoilers" line, but the ire grows as the weeks pass and she becomes more involved in the Audrey Neffinger plot (not spoilery, as I have no idea whether that's true but it certainly looks like where it's going).

Didn't like the shootout at the end, especially River shooting the Silent that she wasn't looking at.

Time Babby has the potential to be the worst plot ever, to be honest. Much as I hated Rusty, it looks like it negates his whole DoctorDonna plot.

At the end of the day, I don't like wibbly wobbly lumpy bumpy etc. It smacks to me of lazy writing and is just as much of a Deus Ex Machina as Rusty's Big Red Reset Button. And to be honest when this episode featured disembodied moving space suits, a small girl looking for her mummy, writing from another time appearing on walls and monsters that changed position when you weren't looking at them I felt like teaching the Moff's pony another trick myself.

I'm enjoying it far more than the Rusty era though, especially now Amy has stopped being Dommy P.

Amy is much better in this series yeah.

Time Babby has the potential to be the worst plot ever, to be honest.

Haha you're just masochistically wishing it to be shit at this point aren't you?