Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

...when DEATH is on the line!

responses very useful thx!

From the Hartnell era, apart from An Unearthly Child (the very first/pilot episode), I would go for The Aztecs myself. I suppose The Daleks is a lot more iconic, but the story in The Aztecs is just so good.

Avoid Colin Baker. That is all.

Is this where I casually stroll into the room and tell you to listen to this instead of any watching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-e_TCqb4qQ
and run away again before the old-schoolers get cross?

(ok ok, fair warning: it is 9 minutes of former Radiophonic Workshop people talking about the theme tune, with no reference to the contents of the show itself, so don't listen if you don't want that - if the words "tape splice" make you yawn then you probably don't want to click on it)

Try and get hold of Alchemists of Sound (the full version, not the cut down one in The Beginning box set) for full-on radiophonic goodness.

A thought: The Doctor still has some Flesh in the TARDIS in the form of his shoes.

^holy shit

<3 you spacecadet.

Maybe his shoes liquefied when he zapped FleshPond.

good point, like FleshDoctor (and FleshCleaves) liquifying when he zapped Jen.

Bet they didn't.

Some really interesting speculation and theorising breaking out elsewhere on exactly when Amy got replaced.

Yeah, basically people are speculating everything from 'in the first episode of the fifth series' all the way up to 'White House toilets'.

No doubt backed up with "highly compelling" video "evidence", like the hilarious clips showing Amy "seeing" the Silence in the last series.

This is where "ming-mongs" becomes an apt term, yes?

woman with eyepatch is so creepy, reminds me of creepy future-prison warden woman in 'Brazil'

speaking of daleks, this is cool
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s255/gallery1988sf/Olly/IMG_1530.jpg

whoa! is that on etsy or some shit?

from here! http://ollymosspapercuts.blogspot.com/

so is part of the daleks thing that they look like ridiculous impotent Lost in Space robots but happen to be genocidal psychopaths, or is that just incidental bc when they were invented that was the standard for making your robot-villain creature?

They were definitely supposed to be scary-looking when first designed.

I don't really get why the two Gangers had to sacrifice themselves. They were standing there jawing for ages with the open Tardis right next to them. Really good episode though, especially the double doctor interaction. Matt Smith just keeps getting better, he has eclipsed Tennant pretty comprehensively.

NO

COMPREHENSIVELY

Doctor Who writer Steven Moffat to 'rest' Daleks

Moffat OTM

sic OTM

Fuck the Daleks, seriously

(I like the daleks tbh)

There have been two good Dalek stories since 1974, and one of those fell over three episodes in. Leave them alone until there's a point.

(And they can be non-dayglo colours.)

Fuck the Daleks, seriously

QFT

Love the Daleks but they've been ridiculously overused, better to build some anticipation for their return and make it actually good rather than, y'know, a vague obligation. Hasn't actually been a good Daleks story since 2005.

The ganger Doctor reappearing has been so heavily trailered - the Doctor actually told him that his molecular memory could survive - that I'd be amazed if it didn't happen.

Trying to remember when we first saw scary eyepatch lady - was it in the second ep? If so, yeah it's very possible she could have been taken in the six-month gap between 1 and 2.

Also, did Amy tell the real Doctor that she'd seen his death, thinking she was telling the ganger? This is kind of important.

Be interesting to see how the Tardis works out with just the Doctor and Rory in it.

Also, did Amy tell the real Doctor that she'd seen his death, thinking she was telling the ganger? This is kind of important.

Yes, he mentioned invites to her near the end of the ep.

Trying to remember when we first saw scary eyepatch lady - was it in the second ep? If so, yeah it's very possible she could have been taken in the six-month gap between 1 and 2.

Yes, eyepatch lady first appeared in episode 2.

Amy mentioned being pregnant to the Doctor in episode one.

Ohyeah, is that when she took the cameraphone video of the Silence in the bathroom to remember to tell the Dr, and stopped him with "I've got something to tell you", and then forgot what it was and said she was pregnant? This may be meaningful. Or... not.

I watched Inferno last night (Third Doctor - 1970) - thoroughly enjoyed parallel universe eyepatch gent Brigade Leader Lethbridge-Stewart and his uniformed sidekick Section Leader Liz Shaw. Excellent support cast of mad scientists and stuffy civil servants. Didn't really enjoy the crap lava werewolf monsters that were defeated with fire extinguishers.

I'll hopefully get through The Claws of Axos tonight (I got a Third Doctor box with 7 serials in it).

Ohyeah, is that when she took the cameraphone video of the Silence in the bathroom to remember to tell the Dr, and stopped him with "I've got something to tell you", and then forgot what it was and said she was pregnant? This may be meaningful. Or... not.

Yeah, I figured the fact Amy's still got a picture of the Silence on her phone, which no-one has seen, might still be leading up to something. Not sure what though.

they used the photo on her phone to make the hologram in the TARDIS tho, so it was actually seen

Oh, OK, I must have been scratching my head going "uh, wtf?" at that point (I've been doing that quite a lot and I figure I'm missing whole important plot devices as a result. My parents are as confused as all hell with this whole series - I wonder how it's going down in general outwith the internets?).

My sons are definitely less gripped than in previous series and have decided Tennant > Smith despite loving Smith last year. I wonder if Moffat(& Co)'s attempts to scare kids are getting in the way of entertaining them.

too much orange not enough teal this week

I was under the impression that it was going quite well with actual kids (ie who fixate on the scary/cool stuff and don't worry too much if they don't get the plot) as well as internet fanbase. He's probably not hitting as much of the mid-market, which Rusty pretty much squarely aimed at at all times.

Moffat twooted that he was only saying the Daleks won't be in this year

no mention of the supposed clause that insisted on their inclusion ever year before tho - was that actually a thing?

I wonder if the redesign rendered the Terry Nation clause null and void? Guessing there would have been some kind of payoff for the reconfiguration but this would somehow subvert annual Daleks.

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Is it really that hard to figure out what’s going on? I mean, joining every single dot might be confusing, but getting a 95% gist of what’s going on is pretty basic. It’s like when comics fans complain about stories being too continuity-heavy, when its basically just a story about a superhero escaping a base and punching people.

Well, I've evidently missed some stuff which may or may not be relevant. I know it will all tie up in the end, but I was out-loud wondering if missing this stuff as it happens throughout the series makes any difference. There seems to be a lot more of it what with River's timeline, gangers, fake Amy, doctor death thingy.

Last episode was pretty obviously intentionally confusing, no one except the Doctor had any idea what was going on.

I wonder if the redesign rendered the Terry Nation clause null and void? Guessing there would have been some kind of payoff for the reconfiguration but this would somehow subvert annual Daleks.

They've been redesigned many times in the past though and they're still identifiably Daleks, and called Daleks, so I doubt that. Maybe the clause just elapsed, it's been five years after all.

Or maybe it never actually existed in the first place.

I gave up and spoilered myself re: this episode and it really seems like part 2 is going to make up for how flat and boring part 1 was

also the random flashes of eyepatch lady now make sense to me based on what I read of the spoilers and MAN I LOVE MOFFAT

Dunno if this has come up before but these episode commentaries are a blast

Can I just say I love Doctor Whooves?

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