tipping

yeah you got it pretty quickly which is making me wonder if/why this is a real stereotype,

As to why - confirmation bias. If you're serving 5 times as many white customers, you're not going to notice the ebb and flow of tips as you would with groups you serve less.

middle aged woman isn't a race is a state of mind your manners young man

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241

Hey look there might be institutionalized reasons related to this that aren't directly correlated to skin color

It's like if you put "black people tipping" in google, this discussion has actually happened a multitude of times

keep up the insight, frogbs, I would like to know why you think black people don't tip

Good thing there's no Blacks or women on ILX

milo - i doubt that's true. it's not like blacks are the only other race out there

when I worked at a golf course the worst tippers were the people who played golf

Or tippers

xxp

what other races are out there, frogbs

I liked to break down my serving biases into microcultures - civil servants on lunch break, businessmen from out of town serving, middle-aged women who wanted to flirt, middle-aged women who didn't want to flirt, those assholes in town for a Christian revival who tipped with pamphlets (actually happened, still pissed 11-12 years later), midgets, midget-porn fetishists, etc.

lesbian isn't a race btw

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/27/article-1188882-051AEBAE000005DC-540_306x506.jpg

businessmen from out of town eating on the company dime*

it's not like blacks are the only other race out there

other than.... other than.... *head explodes*

Best tippers - New York Yankees catchers, deceased guitarists for Pantera

Worst tippers - my deadbeat friends

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241

Hey look there might be institutionalized reasons related to this that aren't directly correlated to skin color

It's like if you put "black people tipping" in google, this discussion has actually happened a multitude of times

keep up the insight, frogbs, I would like to know why you think black people don't tip

that article doesn't really answer it but yeah, that's the kind of thing I'm looking for.

honestly, I have no idea, that's why I brought it up because it's kind of a weird thing. in my experience as a bartender they aren't exactly cheap people and I'm not sure if there are cultural issues or what they could be

True story: I worked at this terrible redneck bar in NC and on my third or so shift, I got a six top of mostly black people and my fellow server asked me if I would be okay and I was like yeah, six top no biggie, we're not busy and she was like. No. Are you going to be okay? Because they were black, see.

frogbs waiting a table:

"So I couldn't help but notice your Blackness. Will you be tipping these evening?"

bet they're ugly, too. lesbians, maybe?

hey why don't you take this shit into another thread? if you're going to whine could you at least try to be funny?

frogbs waiting a table:

"So I couldn't help but notice your Blackness. Will you be tipping these evening?"

man you guys are the fucking worst

Modest Mickey of this site once emailed me a letter he wanted proofread that he was going to give to his manager. The letter told his manager he was upset with her for having alleged black people are bad tippers. He asked for tips about the letter and I said, "make it about five pages shorter."

it's nagl on my part, i know, piling on, but if you're going to post could you try not to be so mindnumbingly stupid?

xp

Untippable Blackness

they aren't exactly cheap people

they... people

dude

well what am I supposed to say? are you really going to get into a "you people" argument?

If you don't get what I'm saying there, it's that the entire construction comes off as "blacks: they aren't exactly cheap people!"

And if you don't get why that sounds bad...

it's nagl on my part, i know, piling on, but if you're going to post could you try not to be so mindnumbingly stupid?

dude it's a real issue as has been confirmed quite a few times ITT and I was just wondering if this is a real stereotype or if the people I know were just being dumb, what the fuck are you on about

lesbian isn't a race btw

― iatee, Monday, June 20, 2011 8:54 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

^ knows the deal

it is indeed a real issue that has been crying out for your incisive commentary

xp

omg what am i doing i need an ilx break don't i

Maybe frogbs is doing field research so he can play Pino in "Do the Right Thing: Te Musical"

If you don't get what I'm saying there, it's that the entire construction comes off as "blacks: they aren't exactly cheap people!"

And if you don't get why that sounds bad...

then enlighten me, what am I supposed to say?

you're definitely trying to lead me to post something about the cheapness of blacks or whatever, I'm just saying I don't think that's the issue at all

wait haven't you posted that, i mean exactly that

not tipping well != cheap

http://thevegasclubs.com/images/10_tipping.jpg

i think the point is that if you really given any thought to racial/racist stereotypes especially in a public forum then you're inevitably gonna be seen as perpetuating them, wittingly or not.

cos the short simple answer is "racial stereotypes are stupid let's talk about something else"

you must be new here, frogbs

OK, I was talking about this with a friend of mine

I think the negative thing is that instead of explaining your experience with individuals and asking about it, you're about one step off of saying "they are not (a) cheap people." While there is a "black culture" in the US, it's not monolithic, although you're right -- some cultural things like how much to tip seem to vary.

But this entire beating around the bush and acting like it's a racial thing is... not really the way to approach cultural issues.

"They're not cheap, they just spend their money on courvousier"

always found poor people to be mcuh worse tippers & people than any specific race tbh

i dunno i find a lot of not poor people are excruciatingly mean when it comes to tipping after a meal but this is back in lol britishes territory, which is odd since we are notoriously whiter than american whites

what I'm wondering if why or if this is a cultural thing. that article did imply that blacks tip less though the margin is not as eye-popping as people have made it sound. i was part of an international club in college and a lot of them weren't really good tippers since they didn't have that culture there. that I understand. when we're talking about people who have been in this country their whole lives it gets a little more confusing

always found poor people to be mcuh worse tippers & people than any specific race tbh

i never found this true at all. poor people in general seemed to tip more than rich people in my experience. maybe that's why they were poor.

wtf are you winding me up guvnor qeII don't mean shit to me bruv xxp to nv

I got plenty of bad tips from enough people to know there was never a pattern to it

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i was using britishes in the american sense of "everybody living between Greenland and Moscow"

People who have been in the country their whole lives don't necessarily have the same experiences, though.

Why are all the popcorn gifs of black people?

i was using britishes in the american sense of "everybody living between Greenland and Moscow"

you'll excuse me for having national memory of when this was p much the british sense as well, john bull

alright i admit it i long for the return of the british empire

I guess the whole thing could be a self-perpetuating cycle though - like I said I've heard it so much by people in the service industry that I'm guessing they don't really get great service, which leads to them leaving smaller tips...I remember reading something on this board about how there really was a race issue, it seems like it's really just a shitty one that's self-perpetuating all the less