A John Carpenter Poll

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I actually think "The Thing" is a pretty serious picture, even though the filmmaking itself is mostly about thrillpower. The whole cold-war 'enemy within' sci-fi invasion sub-genre is 'serious' imo, even if I can't really define what I mean by serious.

"Starman" is just "The Thing" standing on its head.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure those are my 5 faves, either. Halloween would certainly give They Live a run for the fifth slot.

Eric H., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

The Thing is so f'ing scary. Love it.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

The Fog isn't very good.

n/a, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

What's not to like? ... I mean, other than it not being particularly scary?

Eric H., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah there isn't enough to 'The fog', a half-hour stretched to movie length.

Most of his films have some kinda veiled commentary to me - but done in a seriously entertaining way.

And yes, incredible music - seriously underrated as a film composer/arranger isn't he? Everybody loves Morricone, etc. but he sure knows how to pack a punch. 'Ghosts of Mars' is up there with his very best in that respect.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

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We're inching closer to the inevitable John Landis poll.

Eazy, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I still think it's neat that guys like Romero/Craven/Carpenter just stuck with what they were good at.

Craven did that Meryl Steep movie...

latebloomer, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Plus he wasn't very good at what he was good at.

Eric H., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

voted 'they live' just to be objective, but it almost, almost went to 'prince of darkness' just to rep for it. the scene where alice cooper kills the nerd guy from 'riptide' with half a bicycle (a scene so brilliant it is spoiler-proof) and the shared dreams with television interference.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

'Escape from NY' for me, which just shades 'The Thing' as I skived off school to see it.

I also really rate 'The Eyes of Laura Mars', which he wrote.

Soukesian, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

The Thing

I have no memory of Starman and was kinda unaware it was even his movie

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha I totally suppressed that stupid Meryl Streep movie that Craven did!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think I've seen a single one of these. Maybe parts of Halloween when I was a kid.

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

it was downhill for Raimi after that stupid BillyBob Thornton hillbilly "thriller" movie

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

you mean the fine A Simple Plan? o u kid

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

It was downhill after Quick and the Dead! Actually A Simple Plan s'okay.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

oh man I forgot about the Quick and the Dead ugh

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

It was downhill after Quick and the Dead!

You mean there are worse films than Quick and the Dead??!?!

ledge, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

The Gift's mediocre.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I only saw it last night, and was AMAZED at the awful crash-zoom-piled-on-crash-zoom editing, totally destroying whatever semblance of tension the movie might have had.

xpost.

ledge, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

horribly shitty casting doesn't help either - I'd say its only marginally more of a trainwreck than Carpenters' Vampires, which is unforgiveably bad

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently Sharon Stone insisted on DiCaprio and Crowe, and even paid their fees to get them over the studio's wishes.

ledge, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

"Apparently"

ledge, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

man, is the thing great. just watched it last night. probably beats the first alien at its own game, and I love that one too.

anyone know what the deal is with the soundtrack? credits in the beginning say it's morricone, but that main theme (the synth piece that uses a bassy sound to a percussive effect - y'all know the one) sounds v. carpenter-ish. was the soundtrack a collabo in any way? gotta be.

so yeah, went with the thing. though really, everything I've watched had something to offer. big trouble comes in second for being so over-the-top. "son of bitch must pay."

original bgm, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

"You mean there are worse films than Quick and the Dead??!?!"

TIN CUP, PEOPLE!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

George Romero doesn't have any Music Of The Hearts in his closet though! PRAISE GEORGE!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Although he did do this haha.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

He has a really good good movie to terrible movie ratio, in fact I think the only movie of his I've seen (which I'm surprised to realize is all of them except Dark Star) which I didn't at least enjoy a little was Ghosts of Mars. I voted BTinLC over The Thing though because I think BTinLC is one of the most well-balanced films, humor/horror/drama/etc-wise.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Why does everyone hate Ghosts of Mars so much? It's a fun enough remake of Assault if you ask me. It's just about as good as Escape From LA.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The Thing however is very special to me, one of the only movies ever to leave me nightmaring.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

anyone know what the deal is with the soundtrack? credits in the beginning say it's morricone, but that main theme (the synth piece that uses a bassy sound to a percussive effect - y'all know the one) sounds v. carpenter-ish. was the soundtrack a collabo in any way? gotta be.

I think it was just Morricone (or more likely one of his assistants) scoring the film in the style of Carpenter. Which makes you wonder why Carpenter didn't just do it himself?

So, no-one likes Christine?

Matt #2, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw "The Thing" at the Edinburgh Film Festival Premier, and some punter in the front row had had the bright idea of taking acid to enhance the experience. He was carried out screaming during the initial sequence with the dogs. Which certainly added to the intensity of the movie for the rest of us.

Soukesian, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

did he announce to that theater that he had taken acid or something?

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the first poll where I've seen/heard every single one of the choices and if I had to pick a loser it would be Christine - not from any fault of Carpenter. If anything he did the impossible and made a lousy Stephen King story pretty good, but there's numerous weak points with it beginning with the two lead characters. I think with a different cast (it's 1983 what the hell, say Tom Cruise and Timothy Hutton) it could have been outstanding.

Memoirs Of An Invisible Man isn't a bad movie (if anything it's Chevy Chase's last good movie) but gets it bad rep only because Carpenter directed it straight-up with no real horror, blood, etc.

Ghosts Of Mars is silly fun and is to Assault On Precinct 13 as Escape From LA is to Escape From NY.

The Kurt Russell trilogy is unfuckwithable and are the best movies that either Carpenter and Russell have done. However, I gotta vote for They Live as it's my personal fave.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

This poll really needs to have Elvis on it too

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Keith Gordon >>>>>>>> Tom Cruise! Timothy Hutton >>> John Stockton though.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I think those duads are mismatched.

Eric H., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

er, diads ... or duals ...

Eric H., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Stockwell, ahem. John Stockton >>>>> all of them (except Keith Gordon haha.)

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Keith Gordon > John Stockton >> Timothy Hutton >>> John Stockwell >> Tom Cruise.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it was just Morricone (or more likely one of his assistants) scoring the film in the style of Carpenter. Which makes you wonder why Carpenter didn't just do it himself?

yeah, this makes sense. I do wish carpenter did the score since most of it is a little forgettable... but the main theme is pretty sweet, so whatevs.

original bgm, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I voted for They Live—(Rowdy Roddy Piper and Keith David! Meg Foster's weird eyes!), but almost voted for The Thing, so I'm glad of all the Thing love. The opening scene with the possessed husky!

Beth Parker, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link

tough poll

Ste, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

That was a bit of a landslide.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Prince of Darkness deserved more.

ledge, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

DAS DING IST NUMMER EINS, JA.

Abbott, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Haloween robbed

I know, right?, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

What’s the answer?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 22 October 2021 12:10 (three years ago) link

They didn't offer one! I assume they didn't look, though tbf neither have I.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 October 2021 12:20 (three years ago) link

Carpenter definitely talked about it in original press for the film. Here are some clips from a variety of 1986 articles. In most of these, they only talk about Jack and Wang in terms of "an inversion of the hero/sidekick trope", but I feel like they are asking the reader to do the work of figuring out "oh the hero is usually white and people from a different race are usually the sidekick". In the last article, Carpenter comes right out and talks about the racism that Asian-Americans experience.

''Our movie is rated PG-13,'' Carpenter said. ''Our hero, Jack Burton, is no Rambo.

''He's inept but courageous. In fact, we've reversed the hero-sidekick relationship. Traditionally, the hero is a strong, silent man of action. Our hero slips on banana peels, talks about how great and strong he is. But his Chinese sidekick (played by Dennis Dun) has all the real heroic qualities.

"In 'Big Trouble in Little China,' the usual roles in an action-adventure are reversed. Dennis Dun is the sidekick, but he's the one with few words and quick action. Kurt is the star, but he's the bumbler who seems out of place. Yet you like him because of his courage. He thinks he's John Wayne, but he's really Harold Lloyd."

* Kurt Russell and The Hell Of A Thousand Pratfalls.

To play Jack Burton, the "hero" of Big Trouble, Carpenter turned once again to Kurt Russell, as he did for Escape From New York and The Thing. Originally, he had wanted Clint Eastwood. But then Russell's performance in Escape was virtually an Eastwood impression.

As his inspiration for Jack Burton, however, Russell took a different tack. "I thought of guys I relate to," Russell explains. "Movie presences like John Wayne, which is I guess the most obvious one. And there was a rhythm that was at times like rhythms that were charming and really fun to watch out of Jack Nicholson.

"My underlying control of all these guys was Eddie Haskell (from Leave It To Beaver). He was this wise guy that was able to get away with stuff even though everybody in the room knew he wasn't."

Jack Burton, you see, is a hero with a difference, a tough-talking bumbler whose heroics are generally the result of sheer dumb luck.

"In the script he wasn't nearly as full of that as we ended up doing," Russell says. "The character just wasn't as broad. I thought, let's take a chance here and go with what's true to this movie, which is that this guy should fall on his ass a lot and he should be the butt of as many jokes as he's the giver of.

"Now you're really starting to ask a lot of an audience, because that's not been done before. But we felt the sidekick should emerge as the silent man of action and Jack should have to assume the duties of the traditional sidekick role."

* Dennis Dun and The Hell Of Unemployed Asian Actors.

For his part, "sidekick" Dennis Dun was more than happy to pick up the slack in the hero department. "I could have come off like a dumb, stupid regular sidekick," he smiles. "But this is different, offbeat. And I like playing offbeat characters."

Like the ill-fated undercover cop in the controversial Year Of The Dragon. Despite the outrage expressed by the Chinese community, Dun feels Dragon represented an important step for Asian actors.

"I don't regret doing the film," he says. "I understand the concerns of the community, violent images and all that, but I think Year Of The Dragon is part of an important transition. We're getting an opportunity to do things that we weren't able to do before. Just look at John Lone on the screen - I don't think anybody's ever seen an Asian actor in an American film with his charisma, his presence."

"Big Trouble in Little China" subverts the normal action hero cliché. While Jack Burton is still the traditional white male action hero, he's not nearly as useful as Wang Chi. In fight scenes, Jack is constantly struggling against one goon, while Wang takes down more than a half-dozen of them with ease.

The growing Asian population in the United States has finally rung some bells in Hollywood's executive chambers.

An increasing number of films now involve Orientals.

To be sure, the numbers are still small, but in relatively little time Asia and Asians have played prominent roles in ''Rambo: First Blood II,'' ''Year of the Dragon,'' ''The Killing Fields,'' ''The Karate Kid'' and ''The Year of Living Dangerously.''

Completed but unreleased are ''Gung Ho'' and ''The Karate Kid II.'' On the production schedules are ''Tai-Pan,'' ''The Last Emperor,'' ''China Marines,'' ''Empire in the Sun'' and ''The Golden Child.''

Most films involving the Orient are tailored not for Asian-Americans but for the rest of the nation. Many are flawed by inaccuracies, prejudice or stereotyped characterizations and events.

The Hollywood mentality has traditionally focused on the cliche of the ''inscrutable'' Chinese or Japanese going back to ''The Hatchet Man,'' ''The Bitter Tea of General Yen'' and ''The Mask of Fu Manchu.''

For years, there weren't enough Asian moviegoers in the United States to make a difference at the box office and too few of them to register a significant voice of protest. Consequently, producers and studios became careless in the depiction of Asian minorities.

During World War II every ''Jap,'' of course, was a heavy and usually a sadist.

But increasing trade and cultural relationships with Japan and detente with China, begun by President Nixon, have opened new vistas of understanding and respect for Asians.

The flood tide of boat people and others from Southeast Asia and the growing Korean and Filipino populations, especially in Los Angeles, have further exposed Americans to Eastern cultures.

At long last, Hollywood is catching up with the reality of the expanding Asian influence in this country.

Director John Carpenter, who recently completed ''Big Trouble In Little China,'' calls this the era of the Asian.

His fantasy film, starring Kurt Russell, involves a cast of 200 Asians in an adventure-drama about a mythical city beneath San Francisco's famed Chinatown.

The cast is principally Chinese but includes Japanese, Koreans and Filipinos.

To prepare for the film, Carpenter spent months of research and endless hours in conference with his associate producer Jim Lau (a scholar, master of martial arts and historian) and project coordinator Daniel Kwan (a journalist and actor).

''I wanted to be as accurate and fair as possible in representing Asians in this country as they really are,'' said Carpenter during a break in post-production work at the 20th Century Fox commissary.

''We are seeing more pictures about the Far East than ever before. There is a great deal of curiosity about that part of the planet thanks to renewed ties (with) China and (to) the Vietnamese War.

''I get the feeling Asians are coming into their own with their culture, mythology and a sense of (who) they are as people.''

Carpenter generally refers to the Chinese when he speaks of Asians but much of what he says pertains to other Eastern nationalities. Asked if he thought Asians were essentially different from Westerners, he hedged.

''Yes and no. They are different because they are deeper than any culture in the world -- especially the Chinese. They enjoyed a sophisticated civilization 5,000 years ago when Europe was populated by barbarian tribes. They developed science and art while the West was still a cultural desert.''

To illustrate the essence of being Asian, Carpenter cites a line from the film that was written by a Chinese writer: ''China is in the heart and wherever they go, China goes with them.''

''Their basic difference from Westerners is manifested in subtle ways … in all areas of religion, philosophy and interpersonal relationships.

''I find the differences fascinating. There is a major struggle going on with most Asian-Americans. They would like to be perceived as ordinary Americans, professionals or working people. Yet they also want to preserve their culture and maintain their distance from the rest of the population.

''It is an interesting ambivalence that frustrates Asians in this country a great deal.''

Asian-Americans also must deal with ''the additional problem of anti-Asian violence increasing enormously in the past two or three years,'' said Carpenter. ''It's racism and (it's) getting stronger than the anti-black bigotry.

''The mood in this country is that it's okay to be a racist.''

The various Asian groups seldom coalesce for a common cause. Los Angeles is dotted with enclaves of Asian communities: Little Tokyo, Chinatown and Korea Town. Orange County has become a Vietnamese stronghold.

But then the same was true of the Irish, Italian and German immigrants who gathered in ethnic pockets in New York City in the last century.

According to Carpenter, Asians are increasingly disenchanted with their image in Hollywood movies. He cites protests registered last year over Michael Cimino's unsuccessful ''Year of the Dragon,'' starring Mickey Rourke as a New York cop busting up crime in the Chinatown underworld.

''That picture insulted a lot of Chinese,'' he reported.

''From what I gather, Hollywood's treatment of the Orient perpetuates stereotypes'' like those of blacks before the civil rights movement, Carpenter said. ''Now Asians want their version of 'The Defiant Ones' or 'The Heat of the Night.'

''One of the great cliches is the 'inscrutable' element ascribed to Asians. It began in the West when Chinese laborers came here to build the railroads. Most were from Canton. They assumed passive attitudes to separate themselves from the cowboys and others who shot up the streets at night. They didn't show their emotions in order to survive.''

Carpenter reported that he ''had no trouble communicating with the Asians on this picture. There was an open forum on the set. I welcomed suggestions to give the picture texture and reality.

''I didn't want the picture to come out looking like a white man making a film about Chinese.

''To give you an example, in one sequence a character, played by Victor Wong, drives a tour bus through Chinatown. Victor delivered his lines in a dialect different from the rest of his dialogue. He told me his grandfather used the same dialect when he drove a tour bus. It was a sing-song speech that added the right amount of humor to the scene.

''Asians, after all, are like people everywhere with the same emotions and individuality. It's their sense of history and culture that makes them somehow more distinctive.''

Many Asian-Americans are indifferent to Hollywood's movies about the East and Asians simply because they speak no English and rarely see films.

Others think of themselves as Americans first and Asians second.

Los Angeles dentist Yin Kim, a first generation Korean-American, said, ''I think Asians are fairly represented in movies and TV. There is a good balance between Asian villains and good guys. Even the anti-Japanese flavor of World War II movies didn't bother me because I think like a white American who simply comes from Korean parents. I don't even speak Korean.

''Keye Luke always did well as 'Charlie Chan's' number one son, and my brother-in-law, Keye Chang, played a U.S. Navy admiral in a picture.

''I used to see Philip Ahn, Richard Loo and Anna Mae Wong play Asians. They did good jobs in characterizing a variety of individuals and nationalities. I always laughed when I saw Philip play mean Japanese villains. He was Korean and one of the sweetest guys I ever knew.

''No, I don't see any prejudice against Asians in films,'' Kim said. ''Being born a Korean-American is better than being born … as a less ethnic American because I have the culture of both East and West instilled in me.

''A lot of people in this country are ashamed of their ethnic background. But not Asians.''

Real estate investor John Kanagaye, a Japanese-American, said, ''I don't care how Asians are depicted in movies. I'm American-born and the mystique of Asia is as much a mystery to me as it is to other Americans.

''I am thorougly integrated in this culture, perhaps because of my children (bringing) all their friends around. I don't see many movies and I have no idea how bad or good they depict Chinese or Japanese characters.''

Keye Luke, dean of Hollywood's Chinese actors -- who is not in ''Big Trouble In Little China'' -- has mixed emotions about Asians in American films.

He is happy Asian actors are finding work but doubts whether the Asian image has improved much in the new spate of films. He also questions whether the trend will endure.

''It's the same old wine in a new bottle,'' he said. ''Only this time the bottle is Chinese. There is an upsurge of interest in Asians but the content of stories and characters aren't much different from other films based on minorities.

''I doubt if there will be good results socially. Most Americans are aware that Asians are generally hard-working, industrious citizens who have compiled a good record in this country. Their daily acceptance has little to do with motion pictures. Relationships between Asians and other Americans are good.

''My objection to films about Asians is that the stereotypes still exist about the mysterious, often menacing Oriental bad guys. Asians are no more mysterious than anyone else.''

Luke, a native of Canton who came to the United States with his parents when he was 3, feels he is fully integrated in the American mainstream but adds, ''The Chinese culture is so deeply ingrained in us that we cannot escape it. It's been going on for so long. As American as I am, I feel Chinese and love it. It is the richest part of my life.

''I spoke at UCLA recently to a group of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino and Vietnamese students. I told them they have a rich culture behind them and the best of Western civilization in this century. I said take the best of both and make something of your lives.

''To be honest, depicting Asians on film may change the thinking of other Americans, but to Asians it really doesn't make that much difference.''

peace, man, Friday, 22 October 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link

sorry, lol. I knew that last article was long, but didn't quite realize how long.

peace, man, Friday, 22 October 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link

That was great, thanks. That movie is ahead of its time is so many ways, no wonder it flopped.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 October 2021 14:34 (three years ago) link

"in"

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 October 2021 14:35 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

The new “The Ward” episode of Blank Check pod is really good - convo w Drew McWeeny about collaborating w Carpenter & a very sentimental conversation about what those last few movies were like for him etc

Upshot: Carpenter is the best, guys

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link

Good episode. Surprised the two friends rated Assault On Precinct 13 so low - near perfect film imo, as great an example of Carpenter's stripped down approach as Escape From New York. Agree with the general "spoilt for choice" sentiment tho.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 11:01 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Watching “Starman.” Damn if this ain’t an underappreciated 80s classic.

Also, I forgot this was a first contact + road movie combo

Also, Carpenter didn’t do the score, Jack Nitzsche is credited

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 December 2022 04:44 (one year ago) link

prince of darkness is my fav

ciderpress, Tuesday, 27 December 2022 19:32 (one year ago) link

The discussion of Big Trouble jogged something in my mind. I could have sworn I remember Alex Cox introducing it as part of Moviedrome and pointing out that Kurt Russell's character is a third wheel. But seemingly he didn't, although he introduced several John Carpenter films. Here's his take on Escape from New York. He describes They Live as Carpenter's most recent film, so I assume Cox's introduction was recorded in 1989 or 1990 or so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpNGOsxwZ3A

In his opinion New York was a disappointment because the special effects were no good and it wasn't shot in New York. I was disappointed with the film too, but not for those reasons. I felt that it looked great, and in any case it took place mainly at night, in a fantasy version of New York, and my hunch is that most of suburban New York doesn't look like New York either. But perhaps Alex Cox was being deliberately provocative so that he could get social media likes on Prestel or Ceefax or whatever. How did you subscribe to someone in 1990? Did you just obsessively read about them, or something? Or send them fan mail?

Every time I watch Escape from New York I think to myself "why don't I like this film more", and then I think "I remember why I don't like this film more", and I also think "Adrienne Barbeau". It has a great setup. But after Snake reaches New York he gets captured and it turns into a boring chase. Then it ends. It's as if Where Eagles Dare skipped from the opening sequences to the end, without "sit down major" and the cable car fight etc. Or imagine if The Turin Horse but they stay in the farm the whole time.

Second act? Is that what it doesn't have? It has a truncated second act. Skimming through the list of Carpenter's films it strikes me that all of the ones I have seen bar The Thing and Assault on Precinct 13 have felt disappointingly incomplete. It's as if he was compelled to make films as efficiently as possible, even if that meant writing the absolute minimum amount of story.

Ashley Pomeroy, Tuesday, 27 December 2022 22:48 (one year ago) link

You should check out a BTiLC version with the Carpenter/Russell commentary. They're so pleased with Kurt's subversive ineptitude compared to Dennis Dun, makes me wish their instincts and chemistry had led to more movies together.

Feeling better about The Rock's BTiLC being a continuation instead of a remake, if it's ever made.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 27 December 2022 23:06 (one year ago) link

i watched in the mouth of madness for the first time in the past year and that is a good movie! maybe the last genuinely good movie carpenter made? definitely one of the best endings to a movie ever

na (NA), Wednesday, 28 December 2022 15:20 (one year ago) link

The Thing was a movie I tapped out on thrice on my first three attempts within a half hour because it seemed like a boring creature feature, and only this year did I realize that's not the allure of it at all, but the Invasions of the Body Snatchers-esque assimilation. So rewatched and stuck with it and loved it this time.

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 December 2022 17:44 (one year ago) link

One rare time a spoiler made me revisit a film

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 December 2022 17:45 (one year ago) link

Brought the new year in with The Fog. I think it's perfect and certainly in my top 3 (er, The Thing, Big Trouble, The Fog). The credit sequence is so great. Apart from Barbeau's voice, no one speaks for the first 12 minutes; you get a series of those trademark, almost Hopper-esque, cuts from Dean Cundey - a brilliant introduction to the town and the atmosphere.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Sunday, 1 January 2023 11:25 (one year ago) link

love the fog, love its mood and simplicity. not enough ghost stories.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 1 January 2023 11:27 (one year ago) link

89 minutes! It's probably a fair amount of residual trauma from seeing it as a kid, but I think it's genuinely creepy too. Also, poor Mrs Kobritz - she didn't deserve that. (In my head, she's Mrs Colditz, always has been.)

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Sunday, 1 January 2023 11:33 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

Morbs right again, Starman is grebt!

Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 November 2023 16:47 (one year ago) link

Underrated/under-remembered. Bridges got an Oscar nomination!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 November 2023 16:49 (one year ago) link

I can't believe I pasted a Jordan Ruimy tweet upthread smh

Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Sunday, 12 November 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link

Underrated/under-remembered. Bridges got an Oscar nomination!

A combination road movie and first contact movie as somebody on this borad said.

Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 November 2023 23:16 (one year ago) link

The love story angle is pretty well done too, as the alien becomes somewhat human but not fully so.

Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 November 2023 23:17 (one year ago) link


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