Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

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The only other thing I'm going to say is that you're all going to have ulcers by the time you're 35.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

n/a OTM. Let it go. It seems like another way to be a judgmental snob. And there are so many better ways.

oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

My mind is a blank.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

On the other hand I say Vim Venders and feel really stupid doing it but I feel equally stupid saying Wim Wenders.

Haha, see I totally say Vim Venders, because I've never ever heard anyone pronounce those W's Anglo-style.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Reading discussions of pronunciation that do not involve the IPA.

TORTURE.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Put a schwa on my keyboard and then we'll talk.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

word. you can download IPA fonts from SIL.org. i'm not sure they're going to work in here.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Rereading the word "schwa": are there any other five-letter words where the only vowel is in the fifth position? Odd.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

schmo

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

schtick and other words starting with scht- and schn-

twelfth is the only word that has ccvccc, i think. (/th/ is one phoneme)

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

ps - i meant to add "in English" -- i cannot speak for all of the world's languages.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

oops. those aren't word-final vowels. nevermind.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost right, okay

"Schmo" is good. Amanda, I said "five-letter words." The thing that's interesting about it to me is that the vowel is at the very end and nowhere else.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

that's why i said oops. oooooooooooooooops. oopsie. whoops!

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I know, I just typed that out, though, and didn't want to delete it!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

six-letter word="shrdlu"

M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I cheated and used dictionary.com. Interestingly, schwa is German from Hebrew and schmo is yiddish so there are probably similar words elsewhere in Yiddish, German or Hebrew.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I catch myself saying a lot of things that really annoy me, but these are some that I hate way too much to ever say:

"Up-side the head"

Anything with the word "munch" as the root.

when people type the words "sigh", or "shrug". If you went through the trouble to type 'shrug', maybe it kind of negates the whole fucking thing?

When people say or type "gotcha".

"Howdy"
"Okeedokee"

Any catchphrases from old comedies such as Wayne's World, Ace Ventura, or Austin Powers, will cause me to reconsider our friendship.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Anything with the word "munch" as the root.

munchkin?

NOT! (as if.)

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

when people type the words "sigh", or "shrug". If you went through the trouble to type 'shrug', maybe it kind of negates the whole fucking thing?

Oh, if this thread were about annoying internet words and phrases, I would have much more to contribute here.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

In general, Americanisms perpetrated by British people are always annoying - I've heard people say "on the weekend" instead of "at the weekend" for instance.

But Americans don't say "on the weekend" (which strikes me as interchangeable with "at the weekend" in its Britishness); they say, "over the weekend."

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

one that I've seen lately that really bugs me is "preznit" instead of "president." Is this supposed to imply some kind of disrespect or belief in the illegitimacy of Bush's presidency?

no. it has a very specific origin, and came into use by members of a community who understood and referred back to that origin. it implies, if anything, disrespect for the hands-off approach the media takes with respect to the administration.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

here's what i'm missing on kraftwerk - isn't the German word derived from the English? aren't they the ones pronouncing it wrong in the first place?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

um, no.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

naw, it means "power station" in German

The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh shit, it just occurred to me that my screen name should be pronounced Valter. Good thing I've never had occasion to say it out loud.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

does kraftwerk mean something other than craftwork? i've never felt reverential about the band, so i see no need to be reverential about the name. (xpost, i see)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

perhaps many who pronounce it in Americanized fashion make the same mistake i did

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure the american homophone was not lost on Messers Hutter & Florian.

The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

er, Schnieder

The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

KRAFTWERK? I LOOOOVE KRAFTWERK!

http://www.mcb.com.hk/online/image/upload/9/power_station.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Bang a gong, get it on.

The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"Free pass," as in "How come I get attacked for supposed intolerance towards hip-hop when everyone gives rappers a free pass on their misogyny?"

The claim is invariably a lie.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

the plural of breakfast is breakfasses.

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I am dearly hoping all the people defending using american/english prons for things like bjork and kraftwerk also say "grand pricks". Please please :D That'd make me day.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

No, Americans pronounce it "NASCAR."

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

nuk-u-lur instead of nu-cle-ar

Wiggy (Wiggy), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i use "Preznit" and "Dubya" all the time, both as a sign of disdain and as a reference to both the original incident(almost 2 years ago) and to the way that the guy has deliberately emphasized his accent and speaking style in an effort to do the "folksy/man-of-the-people/anti-intellectual" thing.

plus, i get a kick out of incorporating speech patterns into text, which is why i use "alla", "gunna", "I'ma", etc.

kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"gotcha"?

you're going too far, still

RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Prix = easily pronounceable in American English terms! It all comes down to "pronunciation" versus "accenting," basically. We don't do the accenting part just because that's how it's "supposed" to be said, because if we did, we'd have to do fake English accents to say "Emma Bunton" and talk about "Jun May-ja" and "Bessment Jocks." People should pronounce everything as properly as they can without straining -- the German w/v thing, for instance, not exactly difficult -- but I don't think there's anyplace on Earth where they actually try to pronounce things the way they're pronounced where they're from.

nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I.e. I have a carefully worked out fence-straddling system for this issue.

nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

i use "Preznit" and "Dubya" all the time, ... as a sign of disdain

See, the thing is that he would probably like being called these names.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

there's that, but it's also easier to type without just writing out "The President" or falling back on the more gauche "Bush."

what term SHOULD be employed when referring to the current commander-in-chief?

kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Resident

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

N-s-h: how exactly is your name supposed to be pronounced? I think we've gone through this before, but I remember not the outcome.

Moving along, I've just read the 9-11 Commission Report, and can report that government employess pepper their speech with an unhealthy number of sports eulogisms. I've just returned the book to the library, so can't unpack all of the gems, but first and foremost, our Preznit (in defereence to N/A) expressing dissatisfaction with the early geopolitical politics: "I'm tired of playing offense, I want to play defense." Ha ha, I can just hear him saying that with a bit of a whine. Anyway, so many other CIA/FBI/Condi-types also reverted to these type of anologies when discussing world-wide matters of tremendous import. It made me happy that I haven't sought out a career as an operative.

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Er, reverse, the positions of the offense and defense for the exact quote, please.

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

what about POTUS?

Wiggy (Wiggy), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't like POTUS: it sounds so smugly insider-y to me.

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Huuuuuuuuge x-post to the thread starter: "veggies"?!? how goddamned uptight are you??

Anyway the quite intelligent and eloquent Nabisco said:
If these students had spoken, say, Spanish, their teachers would have been given money and time to concentrate on bringing them up to speed with standard English.

Ahhh-hahaha. As a former teacher of both documented ESL students and non-documented "BVE" students I can say that teachers are provided with neither time and money to teach either. Perhaps, though, this is because I live and taught in Texas. . .

My ESL kids (and I had every single one of them in the school, me, the least experienced in the Language Arts dept.) were one of the six groups whose test performance determined our school's rating by the state. Said rating determined school funding and teacher raises. Some of the other groups included "at-risk" and "below federal poverty-line". I feel safe in asserting all of my "BVE" students fell into one of the latter two categories.

Bottom line. . .each group of students had the same extent of ground to cover in learning standard English. However the ESL students had a much greater cultural motive. They were largely first- and second-generation immigrants and becoming bilingual was very important to them. My African-American students rarely left the neighborhood unless it was to go to S1x Flags. They didn't really see the point in learning to make subjects and verbs agree since the only people they knew who talked that way were teachers and judges. And besides their cousin went to community college and she only got her GED.

America is a very soul-crushing place.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't like POTUS: it sounds so smugly insider-y to me

exactly!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link


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