A John Carpenter Poll

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I'm not sure those are my 5 faves, either. Halloween would certainly give They Live a run for the fifth slot.

Eric H., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

The Thing is so f'ing scary. Love it.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

The Fog isn't very good.

n/a, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

What's not to like? ... I mean, other than it not being particularly scary?

Eric H., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah there isn't enough to 'The fog', a half-hour stretched to movie length.

Most of his films have some kinda veiled commentary to me - but done in a seriously entertaining way.

And yes, incredible music - seriously underrated as a film composer/arranger isn't he? Everybody loves Morricone, etc. but he sure knows how to pack a punch. 'Ghosts of Mars' is up there with his very best in that respect.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/images/bush_they_live.jpg

We're inching closer to the inevitable John Landis poll.

Eazy, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

I still think it's neat that guys like Romero/Craven/Carpenter just stuck with what they were good at.

Craven did that Meryl Steep movie...

latebloomer, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

Plus he wasn't very good at what he was good at.

Eric H., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

voted 'they live' just to be objective, but it almost, almost went to 'prince of darkness' just to rep for it. the scene where alice cooper kills the nerd guy from 'riptide' with half a bicycle (a scene so brilliant it is spoiler-proof) and the shared dreams with television interference.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

'Escape from NY' for me, which just shades 'The Thing' as I skived off school to see it.

I also really rate 'The Eyes of Laura Mars', which he wrote.

Soukesian, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

The Thing

I have no memory of Starman and was kinda unaware it was even his movie

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

Haha I totally suppressed that stupid Meryl Streep movie that Craven did!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think I've seen a single one of these. Maybe parts of Halloween when I was a kid.

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

it was downhill for Raimi after that stupid BillyBob Thornton hillbilly "thriller" movie

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

you mean the fine A Simple Plan? o u kid

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

It was downhill after Quick and the Dead! Actually A Simple Plan s'okay.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

oh man I forgot about the Quick and the Dead ugh

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

It was downhill after Quick and the Dead!

You mean there are worse films than Quick and the Dead??!?!

ledge, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

The Gift's mediocre.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

I only saw it last night, and was AMAZED at the awful crash-zoom-piled-on-crash-zoom editing, totally destroying whatever semblance of tension the movie might have had.

xpost.

ledge, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

horribly shitty casting doesn't help either - I'd say its only marginally more of a trainwreck than Carpenters' Vampires, which is unforgiveably bad

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

Apparently Sharon Stone insisted on DiCaprio and Crowe, and even paid their fees to get them over the studio's wishes.

ledge, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:12 (eighteen years ago)

"Apparently"

ledge, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

man, is the thing great. just watched it last night. probably beats the first alien at its own game, and I love that one too.

anyone know what the deal is with the soundtrack? credits in the beginning say it's morricone, but that main theme (the synth piece that uses a bassy sound to a percussive effect - y'all know the one) sounds v. carpenter-ish. was the soundtrack a collabo in any way? gotta be.

so yeah, went with the thing. though really, everything I've watched had something to offer. big trouble comes in second for being so over-the-top. "son of bitch must pay."

original bgm, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)

"You mean there are worse films than Quick and the Dead??!?!"

TIN CUP, PEOPLE!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

George Romero doesn't have any Music Of The Hearts in his closet though! PRAISE GEORGE!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

Although he did do this haha.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:21 (eighteen years ago)

He has a really good good movie to terrible movie ratio, in fact I think the only movie of his I've seen (which I'm surprised to realize is all of them except Dark Star) which I didn't at least enjoy a little was Ghosts of Mars. I voted BTinLC over The Thing though because I think BTinLC is one of the most well-balanced films, humor/horror/drama/etc-wise.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

Why does everyone hate Ghosts of Mars so much? It's a fun enough remake of Assault if you ask me. It's just about as good as Escape From LA.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

The Thing however is very special to me, one of the only movies ever to leave me nightmaring.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)

anyone know what the deal is with the soundtrack? credits in the beginning say it's morricone, but that main theme (the synth piece that uses a bassy sound to a percussive effect - y'all know the one) sounds v. carpenter-ish. was the soundtrack a collabo in any way? gotta be.

I think it was just Morricone (or more likely one of his assistants) scoring the film in the style of Carpenter. Which makes you wonder why Carpenter didn't just do it himself?

So, no-one likes Christine?

Matt #2, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

I saw "The Thing" at the Edinburgh Film Festival Premier, and some punter in the front row had had the bright idea of taking acid to enhance the experience. He was carried out screaming during the initial sequence with the dogs. Which certainly added to the intensity of the movie for the rest of us.

Soukesian, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

did he announce to that theater that he had taken acid or something?

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 22:59 (eighteen years ago)

This is the first poll where I've seen/heard every single one of the choices and if I had to pick a loser it would be Christine - not from any fault of Carpenter. If anything he did the impossible and made a lousy Stephen King story pretty good, but there's numerous weak points with it beginning with the two lead characters. I think with a different cast (it's 1983 what the hell, say Tom Cruise and Timothy Hutton) it could have been outstanding.

Memoirs Of An Invisible Man isn't a bad movie (if anything it's Chevy Chase's last good movie) but gets it bad rep only because Carpenter directed it straight-up with no real horror, blood, etc.

Ghosts Of Mars is silly fun and is to Assault On Precinct 13 as Escape From LA is to Escape From NY.

The Kurt Russell trilogy is unfuckwithable and are the best movies that either Carpenter and Russell have done. However, I gotta vote for They Live as it's my personal fave.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

This poll really needs to have Elvis on it too

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

Keith Gordon >>>>>>>> Tom Cruise! Timothy Hutton >>> John Stockton though.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:41 (eighteen years ago)

I think those duads are mismatched.

Eric H., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

er, diads ... or duals ...

Eric H., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

Stockwell, ahem. John Stockton >>>>> all of them (except Keith Gordon haha.)

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:43 (eighteen years ago)

Keith Gordon > John Stockton >> Timothy Hutton >>> John Stockwell >> Tom Cruise.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

I think it was just Morricone (or more likely one of his assistants) scoring the film in the style of Carpenter. Which makes you wonder why Carpenter didn't just do it himself?

yeah, this makes sense. I do wish carpenter did the score since most of it is a little forgettable... but the main theme is pretty sweet, so whatevs.

original bgm, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

I voted for They Live—(Rowdy Roddy Piper and Keith David! Meg Foster's weird eyes!), but almost voted for The Thing, so I'm glad of all the Thing love. The opening scene with the possessed husky!

Beth Parker, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 01:12 (eighteen years ago)

tough poll

Ste, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 11:01 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

That was a bit of a landslide.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

Prince of Darkness deserved more.

ledge, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:09 (eighteen years ago)

DAS DING IST NUMMER EINS, JA.

Abbott, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:10 (eighteen years ago)

Haloween robbed

I know, right?, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

Everyone transferred their love to the Rob Zombie one. :P

Abbott, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

Or is that a fake John Carpenter?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 March 2025 23:38 (ten months ago)

https://deadline.com/2024/09/john-carpenter-asks-what-hell-letterboxd-team-debunks-fake-account-1236100936/

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 3 March 2025 23:50 (ten months ago)

Ayo Edebiri stopped letterboxing, John could have been a suitable heir

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 3 March 2025 23:51 (ten months ago)

Watched In the Mouth of Madness recently, love the bit where Sam Neill keeps encountering the crowd of hideous deformed people/demons, and one of them walks by and, unprompted, turns to hiss "Fuck you!" at him.

JoeStork, Tuesday, 4 March 2025 03:07 (ten months ago)

ten months pass...

Happy Birthday, you 78-year old grouch. Hopefully they release a new special edition of "Big Trouble in Little China" this year, when it turns 40 (!).

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 January 2026 20:55 (one week ago)

Continually grateful that The Rock’s BTILC remake has never manifested.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 16 January 2026 23:19 (one week ago)

Watched In the Mouth of Madness for the first time not too long ago. It's a hoot. Sam Neill in full wacko mode is always fun.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 17 January 2026 04:48 (one week ago)

^ His last great film

. (jamiesummerz), Saturday, 17 January 2026 16:04 (one week ago)

i like how that works both for John Carpenter and Sam Neill

budo jeru, Saturday, 17 January 2026 23:11 (one week ago)

i agree that it's great, probably also his most "meta" film unless i'm overlooking something

budo jeru, Saturday, 17 January 2026 23:11 (one week ago)

It was a clever approach to doing a Lovecraft film — kind of adapting the entire idea and pop-cultural presence of Lovecraft instead of a literal adaptation.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 January 2026 02:00 (one week ago)

His last great film

I've always liked Vampires.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 18 January 2026 04:51 (one week ago)

wtf

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 January 2026 04:55 (one week ago)

escape from LA is it. vampires is okay though

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 January 2026 06:17 (one week ago)

I remember Vampires being thoroughly unpleasant. Not in a horror movie way, but just in a no fun to watch way. I think Escape from LA is bad, too, but at least it was trying to be a good time. I'm going for "Mouth of Madness" as his last good movie.

I've never seen "Village of the Damned" or "Memoirs of an Invisible Man." Carpenter still seems pretty salty about the latter, but in his defense, he sometimes seems salty about his successes, too.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:12 (one week ago)

Original British Village Of The Damned is a total banger btw

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:13 (one week ago)

Escape from L.A. is an OK watch for like a lazy afternoon, but it looks like crap as I recall and is not a patch on the OG.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:23 (one week ago)

I've seen the OG Village (and Children) of the Damned, which is maybe one reason I always forget the Carpenter exists.

Was reading about "Invisible Man" on wiki and came across this:

Eventually someone suggested John Carpenter, and Chase approved the idea. Carpenter was then embroiled in a legal dispute with They Live production company Alive Films regarding his contract. He had several projects fall through: a film with Cher called Pincushion, Exorcist III, and a version of Dracula.

A film with Cher called Pincushion !? Found this:

LOGLINE; This one was always described as female version of MAD MAX/ROAD WARRIOR, although personally, I wouldn't describe it as such, so don't expect the main heroine to be something like Furiosa, and the world is definitely much more realistic and grittier, than crazy and over the top like one in FURY ROAD.

The story is more like mix of a road trip and car chase movie. It takes place in post-apocalyptic future, where after some biological disaster, America was ravaged by a plague. Group of scientists create an antidote which is inside the blood of a young boy, nicknamed Pincushion in the script, due to his subjugation to syringes and tests. Once militaristic medical organization called The Cross, who want to control what's left of the country, realize how the cure will destroy their plans, they go after the boy. But good scientists, from the remains of Los Angeles, have already hired two mercenaries to deliver the boy to another group in Salt Lake City, to the lab where cure can be created, and one of the mercenaries is a young girl who has a reputation as the best driver for such jobs. Now two of them have to take the Pincushion across country, while fighting with the raiders and mutants along the way, and Cross vehicles searching and trying to stop them.

BACKGROUND; John Raffo wrote PINCUSHION around 1988. It was his second script, after he stopped working on his first, which he decided was terrible and couldn't be fixed. Instead he focused on the story idea he already had for Pincushion, and wrote the script. Raffo sold his original spec for PINCUSHION to Columbia Pictures, for $500,000, right after the infamous Writer's Guild strike of 1988. Apparently, the script was already widely praised at the time, the reputation which only grew in later years, but I'll get to that.

Amy Pascal, who joined Columbia that same year, was involved in buying the spec and later development of the project, and Scott Rudin signed on as a producer. John Carpenter was attached to direct the film, which was right after he wrote and directed THEY LIVE (1988).

Originally, Jamie Lee Curtis was going to star in the film. Of course, this would reunite her and Carpenter, several years after they worked together on films like HALLOWEEN (1978) and THE FOG (1980). And this was after she starred in one of the highest grossing films of the year, THE FISH CALLED WANDA (1988), and I believe right after she did BLUE STEEL (1990). The budget for Pincushion, at this time, was reported to be around $10 million.

Now, this bit of info I could never confirm 100%, but some sources reported how Carpenter also did a rewrite of the script. Besides Raffo's original spec, only other draft available from 1988 is another (later) draft by Raffo, from November, so if this is true, maybe Carpenter worked on the script later.

FUN FACT; Carpenter also worked on some other projects during this time, which were never made. Considering this was between late 1988 and early to mid 1989, I'd say this was right when he was attached to direct SHADOW COMPANY; An action zombie horror, written by Shane Black and Fred Dekker, and with some uncredited co-writing done by Walter Hill who was also going to produce the film, which would star Kurt Russell as Vietnam war veteran battling his former war buddies who turned into zombies and attacked a small town. If this one interests you, trust me, there's no need to go into too much details here, you can easily find many sites, podcasts and videos talking about this cult unmade film.

By January 1989, Cher was attached to star in Pincushion. This was couple years after she was in THE WITCHES OF EASTWICK (1987) and MOONSTRUCK (1987), both of which were very successful. By then, the budget for Pincushion increased to $20 million, and there were plans for filming to start that summer.

In September 1989, Jeb Stuart did a rewrite of the script. This was couple months after the release of DIE HARD (1988), which he co-wrote. However, it seems that the project ran into some issues in October, after $1,5 million was already spent on pre-production. And soon after that, development was stopped, or maybe just paused for unknown time.

In April 1992 interview for Starlog, Carpenter said how even though they had what he felt was a "great screenplay", Cher couldn't commit to the project due to some reasons, so he left too, since he didn't want to make the film without her. Around that same time, Cher did mentioned how she was interested in returning to the project.

In January 1993, TriStar Pictures (and Columbia) started working on Pincushion again, and with more producers involved; Ray Stalk, Dan Merrick, Joshua Donen. They wanted John Woo to direct the film, and Sharon Stone to star. Woo was working on post production for HARD TARGET, and Stone has just starred in BASIC INSTINCT, and they both expressed interest in the project. But the problem was, the script was going through more rewrites (by one or more writer or writers which I never could identify), and they were really hoping it would be finished and that both of them would sign on by August.

In September 1993, Demi Moore became attached to star in the film, replacing Stone, while Woo was replaced by Rob Cohen. That same year Moore starred in INDECENT PROPOSAL, and Cohen directed DRAGON: THE BRUCE LEE STORY, which interestingly enough, was co-written by Raffo. It's been mentioned how the reason why Moore decided to join the project was because producer Joel Silver told her how Pincushion was the best screenplay he ever read. Just to mention, I never heard he was attached to co-produce Pincushion as well, but considering how big he was, especially at the time (example, that year he produced DEMOLITION MAN), maybe he would have helped to push production to move from the same point it was stuck on for the last several years.

In May 1995, Moore was still attached to star in the film, but this time with new director, Carlo Carlei. It was reported how the script was rewritten by Peter Rader, and then by Carlei. The film still didn't get made, and I'm thinking maybe the fact that other films released that year which Moore, Rader and Carlei did, had something to do with this, since those got either very bad reviews, or were box office bombs; WATERWORLD, for which Rader wrote original script. THE SCARLETT LETTER, starring Moore. FLUKE, directed by Carlei.

Between January and March 1997, Carlei was still attached to direct the film, based on the draft he rewrote himself, and this time Madonna was going to star in it. Carlei said in an interview how he wanted her to star, after he was impressed by her acting in EVITA (1996), which was a solid hit year before. This attempt at making Pincushion also went nowhere.

FUN FACT; Moore and Madonna were close friends, and at one point in early 90’s they were going to star in a buddy cop film titled LEDA AND SWAN which Silver was going to produce. I wonder what are the chances that after Silver told Moore about it, she then went on to mention Pincushion to Madonna, which is maybe how she got interested in the film.

In October 2000, Frank Mugavero did another rewrite of Pincushion for Columbia. That same month he sold his own spec script titled WHEELMAN, another action car chase thriller, so it's possible it had something to do with him getting the job to rewrite Pincushion. If you want to read more about Wheelman, I made a thread about it some time ago;

https://www.reddit.com/r/Screenwriting/comments/1n2na0t/wheelman_2000_2001_unproduced_car_chase_action/

Around late 2014, Pascal wanted to try and resurrect the project, along with some other producers. They had Jennifer Lawrence in mind to star, and directors such as Gareth Evans, who just directed THE RAID 2, or Morten Tyldum, who just directed THE IMITATION GAME, to direct Pincushion. Interestingly, few months later Tyldum was chosen to direct PASSENGERS (2016), which co-starred Lawrence, and was produced by Columbia.

Pincushion is still said to be considered as one of the best unproduced screenplays in Hollywood, but it doesn't seem there were any more attempts at making it since then.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:47 (one week ago)

Amazing, the films that get made and the films that don't. There is now an aching void in my soul where Shadow Company should be residing.

one man against the cistern (Matt #2), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:56 (one week ago)

Village is a faithful remake, worth seeing for actors like Christopher Reeve. Also, JC knows how to make the town itself add to the creepy atmosphere.

Vampires, finding out James Woods was a chud wasn’t surprising after seeing this movie. He leans hard into his character’s brutishness. There are scenes of casual misogyny, one where he shoves Sheryl Lee’s character down to the asphalt, that come across unnecessary and a bit too well-played.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Sunday, 18 January 2026 17:38 (one week ago)

I interviewed Carpenter (and Woods!) around this time. I brought up the misogyny with JC, and his response was more or less a deadpan "it's not misogynist because she's not a human, she's a vampire." Still far too much hitting and calling her "bitch," though, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 January 2026 20:03 (one week ago)

yeah dunno how much of that is being brought by woods vs the source material vs JC himself but it definitely stands out in a uncomfortable way vs the rest of his movies

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 January 2026 21:24 (one week ago)


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