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Bottom line: is *anyone* totally satisfied with their computer/OS ?

I'm pretty happy w/the ST1040/TOS box I use for midi sequencing, heh.

standard font on my SUSE box = Black Chancery.

I was thinking about getting one of those mac minis, loading it up w/a 8x8 midi interface, a MOTU firewire 8x8 audio interface and using it as a replacement for my atari/hdr setup. Maybe I'm not so sure now. Ally + tombot on this thread are great!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

(I am the only person on ILE who likes Arial.)

Arial is good for small font sizes on non-anti-aliased screens. If you don't have ClearType turned on and you're reading a small sidebar, Arial is what you want. Otherwise it's pretty ugly.

― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

I would wait nine months to a year on the Minis to see if the hardware holds up! we have raised GREAT WORRIES.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 18 March 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that's what I was figuring. Let other people make all the mistakes. If my Atari craps out in the meantime, I can get another one, or get one of my 5 broken ones fixed, even. One of them just needs a new power supply iirc.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

A very "interesting" interview with a Mac developer, containing this excellent observation:


If you could push a feature request, or perhaps a bug on your
wish-list to the top of Apples' radar for OSX, what would it
be?Kill Finder X. It's really that bad. But don't just
resuscitate Finder 9 -- do better. Finder 9 always needed a
toolbar, for example. Finder 9 needed a plugin architecture.
Finder X does trounce Finder 9 in terms of built-in search,
though.
There are people out there who know what the next Finder looks
like. Apple needs to get out of their way and let them deliver
it.
You seem like a guy who prefers to refactor rather than
rewrite, so I'm going to assume you wouldn't say that lightly,
and we'll just proceed on the assumption that Finder X is a
complete clusterfuck. How does a company known for its
innovation, craftsmanship and software skills let something
like Finder X out the door?
Finder X is the compromise between the Mac OS folks and the
NeXT folks. Neither won, everybody lost.
Oh my god, the entire bastardized notion of switching from
metal to aqua and hiding the sidebar when clicking on the
toolbar chiclet in the upper right-hand corner.
Bonus: notice how if you click on the extreme right of the
chiclet and try to switch back, you fail -- the window theme
switch moved the chiclet slightly to the left and now you've
got to follow it. Gag. Folks, this type of stuff makes Gnome
look good.
I don't know how Finder X shipped. Someone high enough must
be in love with it that the normal human interface vetting+
feedback process didn't/couldn't take place.

― TOMBOT, Monday, 28 March 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

This website has had a lot of little add ins that have helped psuedo solve some of the disgust I had for OSX. Using a couple of these + TinkerTool & TinkerTool System have been a pretty good compromise for me, though not exactly ideal or perfect, but pretty good.

― Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

I tried using Path Finder for awhile, and I actually like it alright, although I was never able to strip it down enough, and you're still stuck w/the dock, and the menu-oid things that I think the above-mentioned developer refers to as chiclets. Maybe Pathfinder + DragThing + Tinkertool = nirvana?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 March 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

what is a "chiclet"?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 March 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

a type of gum

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 28 March 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

THANKS BRO

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

http://www.wackypackages.org/realproductsscans/chiclets.jpg

the thing in the upper right

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

What's the problem with Finder? It works as well as Microsoft's search feature.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure amst, but I think he's talking about the controls that appear on the right side of the menubar, next to the clock.

Anyway, Tog says: http://www.asktog.com/columns/060MonsterMac.html

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

I thought he was talking about the chiclet in the title bar of the window.

People need to stop being such cranks. Iterative improvments are going to come along.

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

the file finder system is shitty. the default column widths when you look in the 3-column view is too narrow to see the full names of directories that have long names. it's a pain in the ass to navigate around in. if you change your view it doesn't keep you in the same directory you had selected. I hate it.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

The left hand bar of commonly used directories doesn't seem to remember that I like it tiny which drives me nuts!

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

People are such cranks, Jon, because we USED THE CLASSIC AND IT WERE AN IMPROVEMENT. it is like when adults listen to kids' music and think "wtf happened to like, marvin gaye and stuff" and then YOU come along and act all like Lil' Nephew and shit

― TOMBOT, Monday, 28 March 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/lilBowWow.jpg

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

What is this "window theme switch"? Is his only argument for trashing the Finder based on some feature I've never used?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

Lil' Nephew cannot possibly be a real person.

― Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

I came home and tried out this terrible toggle chicklet. OK, it's dumb and useless. I can't really imagine a need to have e-z toggling built in like that. Surely a "folder options" option would be enough. And yes, the toggle isn't done as smoothly as it should be. The chicklet does move a bit. That isn't good.

Um. So I'm not saying there couldn't be a better Finder, but... is that really all the guy can find to complain about?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

I love Apple because they're responsible for the existence of this thread.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Why don't you stop using a Mac, TOMBOT? And if you don't want to stop using one, then try shutting up. You're such a whiner. This is the way it is. Deal.

― Nobody In Particular, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

STOP STEALING MY SCHTICK FUCKER!!!

― Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

i can't believe somebody would log out to post that!

(maybe it's a joke)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

I don't think I understand the Apple business plan. As of right now there are no standalone desktops between the Mac Mini and a dual G5 2GHz (which, moderately ride-pimped, runs a cool $2400).
That's insane.
I want/need a new G5 desktop to last two or three years in the $1200 range and I don't want/need an iMac. Surely I'm not the only person in this middle-ground market - the Mini doesn't meet my needs and I can't/won't spend $2500 on a desktop running a chip that will be obsolete in less than two years.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

I no longer have Applecare! Should I worry or is it all a SHAM?

― a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

I would actually like Elvis Telecom in particular to answer this, because I trust most everything he says (about computers, anyway).

― a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

milo, Apple will be selling G5 desktops well into 2007 and support will run well beyond then. However, sropping the single processor model didn't seem like the smartest idea on their part.

I would say applecare is important for laptops, less so for desktops.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

I would actually like Elvis Telecom in particular to answer this, because I trust most everything he says (about computers, anyway).

AppleCare is pretty essential for laptops. They're expensive, they get beat up, and if the screen fails you're already way ahead of the game in overall cost.

I've actually had to use it once and it saved plenty of time being able to leap-frog ahead to the front of the support line. To be fair though, if I don't have my laptop I'm not able to work at all - making that "does it pay for itself" question pretty easy to answer.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)

are they planning on the intel-based machines to fill that gap or is that still too far away?

(they seem to run xp happily enough 8)

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

I got 6 replacement ipods with Apple Care. Last week the 90 day warranty on the last ipod expired. Two days ago my ipod was stolen.

― banana face (banana face), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

I hate Apple

― banana face (banana face), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Six?

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Dude, it's not their fault your thing got ripped off.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

I want/need a new G5 desktop to last two or three years in the $1200 range and I don't want/need an iMac.

Agreed. My solution was to buy a g4 tower on eBay. I think there's a sweet spot in price/performance right now from the "Digital Audio" models up to the early Mirrored Drive Door g4s. Unless you're doing really processor-intensive stuff, they should be snappy for a few years still. The last batch of g4 towers are still overpriced on ebay, though.

― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

banana face, do you also hate your doctor for getting you addicted to painkillers?

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

I hate the grocery store for selling me Nutty Bars.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

hey I'm just keeping things on topic

― banana face (banana face), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

I figure my G4/933 is enough to last until the Intel machines come out, but I'd like to upgrade now while I'm selling stuff and have the money. Photoshop CS can already be a little slow, I dunno how CS2 will work once I find a place with lax student ID concerns (I've got a student ID, but it's not dated, etc. and don't register for classes for another two months).

AppleCare almost pays for itself in resale value for laptops even if you never need them to replace the screen or anything.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

But why six?

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Milo, my latest MacMall catalog shows a single-processor 1.8Ghz G5 for $1500. (Hmm, it doesn't show up on the website.)

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

milo, review of CS2 here:

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/cs2.ars

seems to suggest CS2 runs as fast or faster than CS1 on same hardware

― mei (mei), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Called 'em; not available. (xpost to self)

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Fry's had the single-processor model for ~$1300 last weekend (I of course didn't hear about it 'til yesterday). I guess it was an inventory clearout to make way for the new lineup.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, guys. I am getting Applecare.

― a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I ravaged my ipods, Apple Care is great. I was joking.

― banana face (banana face), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

One bad Apple don't spoil the whole bunch, girl.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 23 June 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Oh, so once your warranty runs out, you cannot renew/buy Applecare?

What a RACKET! I HATE APPLE!

(are there any other independent applecare-type insurance plans that i can look at or is that it?)

― a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Your warranty is three years. A warranty extended beyond that would be cost-prohibitive given computer life-cycles.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

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