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It's sort of New Age Post-Feminist Lit, only of course what was sort of weird and marginal and "New Age" in 1996 is now considered sensible use of resources and "voting with your capitalist dollars" and "having a social conscience". So basically Kingsolver wins.

I read The Poisonwood Bible a long time ago, it was good.

That is my contribution to this discussion.

Er not post-feminist, 3rd wave.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like maybe Kingsolver is like Joyce Carol Oates in that she sort of straddles the line between literary and popular/mainstream writing? Like Oates gets mad props for her short stories or big ambitious experiments like Blonde but then churns stuff out like We Were the Mulvaneys for the Oprah crowd.

NB: I have never actually read Oates, either.

Jordan can our band be called "Joyce Carol Oates" yes/no?

I dunno, I never read any JCO. I think if BK gets lauded by the Oprah crowd it would be incidental to her goals of putting out responsible stuff that she feels genuinely moved to write...? I have pretty high respect for her priorities/sensibilities/writership/you know.

I think JCO just writes a shitton b/c she is compelled.

perhaps "shitton" is actually two words.

maybe even hypenated!

Define "responsible stuff" -- that notion sort of makes me cringe.

Before reading BK, I thought of her as an author heavily influenced by the southwest and now I think of her as someone who is just heavily influenced by the land/earth.

cast-iron metric fuck-ton

I'm taking "responsible stuff" to mean, especially in the context of AVM, that one is obligated to take care of the earth and the land they live on. in the intro to AVM she talks about how she has thought about these things for most of her life but had not been compelled to do anything drastic about it (move to TN, for example) before. she talks about how everything must be imported to arizona, including the water, and though she loves it there, it was time to explore how one could be more responsible with their resources.

In 2002, Winfrey suspended the book club and revived it the following year, with the format shifted. In the new format, Winfrey would no longer be selecting a new book each month, but would instead select books on a more limited basis.

Check out the Oprah book selections since the format change:

January 2002 Fall on Your Knees by Ann-Marie MacDonald
April 2002 Sula by Toni Morrison
June 2003 East of Eden by John Steinbeck
September 2003 Cry, The Beloved Country by Alan Paton
January 2004 One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel García Márquez
April 2004 The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers
May 2004 Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
September 2004 The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck
June 2005 The Sound and the Fury, As I Lay Dying, and Light in August, by William Faulkner
September 2005 A Million Little Pieces by James Frey
January 2006 Night by Elie Wiesel
January 2007 The Measure of a Man: A Spiritual Autobiography by Sidney Poitier
March 2007 The Road by Cormac McCarthy
June 2007 Middlesex by Jeffrey Eugenides

Well she's really big big big on social causes -- environmental concerns, water conservation, land rights, safe/slow/sustainable foods, racial injustice, Chicano & Native Southwestern rights, human rights across the board actually, living thoughtfully & joyfully -- that kind of thing. I don't think she could write a book that played false with any of those values, or didn't do some heavy lifting to advance them just by virtue of being HER work, and those values showing in everything she does.

I don't really have a point with the Oprah thing, I just thought it was interesting.

Jordan can our band be called "Joyce Carol Oates" yes/no?

Haha. It works because J-Co is my rap name.

you do not have a rap name

unrelated: i think i'm going to go to the FF show tonight. i'm staying a few shot blocks away from the bottle. anyone else going?

Yeah, Nick, that's basically the reading list of every yuppie/Brooklynite/literarily defined/McWhatever that zine is called-reading person anyway.

Goddamnit, what IS that zine called? It's not really a zine anymore, they do actual books w/ really high production values and stuff, it's more of a boutique publisher now...Mc Something!

McSweeney's

otm

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xp

you do not have a rap name

I do when I make beats for people!

I want to go to the FFs show tonight, but I am also supposed to meet up with my aunts and uncle tomorrow morning at like 8:30 or something to drive to Michigan, so that may put a damper on show-going.

what time at the bottle?

We are playing first, so probably pretty soon after 9:00. You could be out of there by 10:00.

McSweeney's published that book I posted upthread, The Children's Hospital. Hipsters are reading Sidney Poitier's autobio?

cool... i'll deffo think of making it out tonight.

Oh god, Nick, I dunno -- I've only read one book off that list, and only because it was Eugenides. But those seem like the mildly cannonical books that everyone's always talking about.

Well, I've only read 5 so I'm not going to make any big judgements either. I guess what's interesting to me about it is how Oprah, or whoever picks those books, seems to be trying to do so many things at the same time, seemingly trying to appeal to different audiences. A few are old-school, touchy-feely overdramatic Oprah books (Poitier, Morrison). There are a bunch of just straight "classic novels" on there (Tolstoy, Faulkner). Then there are a few newer, more "cutting-edge" books (McCarthy, Frey, Eugenides). I'm actually impressed by the diversity of her selections and the difficulty of some her selections, I'm glad she's just not sticking to one type of book.

Mildly canonical books for high-school reading curricula, maybe. (I read Cry, the Beloved Country for a book report in 9th grade history and Night for 11th grade English. And though I haven't read that particular Steinbeck book, the only things I've read by him -- Cannery Row, Of Mice and Men, an excerpt from Travels with Charley -- were all in high school.)

McWhatever that zine is called

Haha, I thought this was a joke because you hate Dave Eggers or something.

No, all I could think of was McSorley's!

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/hockey/nhl/tsn/boston/mcsorley1.jpg

btw, I don't know if it's been mentioned, but Steppenwolf is taking August: Osage County to Broadway in October.

One last bit of self-promotion:
http://www.victimoftime.com/articles/mika-miko-accompany-black-ladies-tonight-chicago/

Judging by Steppenwolf's website its too late to see August: Osage County, huh? The remainder of the shows appear to be sold out. I always sleep on this stuff.

I noticed that in the Tribune today, Dr. Morbius. I assumed it would get a run in NYC, but I didn't realize that it'd be the same cast as in the original production. (Although I'd assume that Fawn Johnstin will be replaced, as she'll be in school? One can hope, at least.)

Yes, the teen is the only one who won't go to NY.

Surely they must have some kinda standby line...

JVC, the show I saw was technically sold out, but they reserve 20 tickets for $20 to be bought the day of the show, which is what I did. I just had to show up at the box office an hour before it opened that morning to ensure I could get one of them. I think there are rush tickets available, too (an hour before the show) but that's less of a guaranteed seat.

Yes, the teen is the only one who won't go to NY.

Was I unfair to think her performance was pretty wooden?

Thanks jaymc, I'll have to look into that this weekend.

(not that it matters, but at least judging from myspace tunes/videos, you guys are way better than those other two bands)

Based on the one record I have, I really like Mika Miko a lot. I am a big sucker for hardcore-style dual vocals like that. I didn't check out the middle band.

I'm not playing any favorites though, if I make it to the show I'll stay for everyone.

speaking of music - my new ipod arrived today! i just can't actually use it until my laptop gets here.

Was I unfair to think her performance was pretty wooden?

I didn't find it excessively so, as she was playing the teen stoner, the most wooden and least interesting species on earth.