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um, no.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

naw, it means "power station" in German

The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh shit, it just occurred to me that my screen name should be pronounced Valter. Good thing I've never had occasion to say it out loud.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

does kraftwerk mean something other than craftwork? i've never felt reverential about the band, so i see no need to be reverential about the name. (xpost, i see)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

perhaps many who pronounce it in Americanized fashion make the same mistake i did

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure the american homophone was not lost on Messers Hutter & Florian.

The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

er, Schnieder

The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

KRAFTWERK? I LOOOOVE KRAFTWERK!

http://www.mcb.com.hk/online/image/upload/9/power_station.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Bang a gong, get it on.

The King's English (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"Free pass," as in "How come I get attacked for supposed intolerance towards hip-hop when everyone gives rappers a free pass on their misogyny?"

The claim is invariably a lie.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

the plural of breakfast is breakfasses.

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I am dearly hoping all the people defending using american/english prons for things like bjork and kraftwerk also say "grand pricks". Please please :D That'd make me day.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

No, Americans pronounce it "NASCAR."

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

nuk-u-lur instead of nu-cle-ar

Wiggy (Wiggy), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i use "Preznit" and "Dubya" all the time, both as a sign of disdain and as a reference to both the original incident(almost 2 years ago) and to the way that the guy has deliberately emphasized his accent and speaking style in an effort to do the "folksy/man-of-the-people/anti-intellectual" thing.

plus, i get a kick out of incorporating speech patterns into text, which is why i use "alla", "gunna", "I'ma", etc.

kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"gotcha"?

you're going too far, still

RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Prix = easily pronounceable in American English terms! It all comes down to "pronunciation" versus "accenting," basically. We don't do the accenting part just because that's how it's "supposed" to be said, because if we did, we'd have to do fake English accents to say "Emma Bunton" and talk about "Jun May-ja" and "Bessment Jocks." People should pronounce everything as properly as they can without straining -- the German w/v thing, for instance, not exactly difficult -- but I don't think there's anyplace on Earth where they actually try to pronounce things the way they're pronounced where they're from.

nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I.e. I have a carefully worked out fence-straddling system for this issue.

nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

i use "Preznit" and "Dubya" all the time, ... as a sign of disdain

See, the thing is that he would probably like being called these names.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

there's that, but it's also easier to type without just writing out "The President" or falling back on the more gauche "Bush."

what term SHOULD be employed when referring to the current commander-in-chief?

kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Resident

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

N-s-h: how exactly is your name supposed to be pronounced? I think we've gone through this before, but I remember not the outcome.

Moving along, I've just read the 9-11 Commission Report, and can report that government employess pepper their speech with an unhealthy number of sports eulogisms. I've just returned the book to the library, so can't unpack all of the gems, but first and foremost, our Preznit (in defereence to N/A) expressing dissatisfaction with the early geopolitical politics: "I'm tired of playing offense, I want to play defense." Ha ha, I can just hear him saying that with a bit of a whine. Anyway, so many other CIA/FBI/Condi-types also reverted to these type of anologies when discussing world-wide matters of tremendous import. It made me happy that I haven't sought out a career as an operative.

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Er, reverse, the positions of the offense and defense for the exact quote, please.

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

what about POTUS?

Wiggy (Wiggy), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't like POTUS: it sounds so smugly insider-y to me.

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Huuuuuuuuge x-post to the thread starter: "veggies"?!? how goddamned uptight are you??

Anyway the quite intelligent and eloquent Nabisco said:
If these students had spoken, say, Spanish, their teachers would have been given money and time to concentrate on bringing them up to speed with standard English.

Ahhh-hahaha. As a former teacher of both documented ESL students and non-documented "BVE" students I can say that teachers are provided with neither time and money to teach either. Perhaps, though, this is because I live and taught in Texas. . .

My ESL kids (and I had every single one of them in the school, me, the least experienced in the Language Arts dept.) were one of the six groups whose test performance determined our school's rating by the state. Said rating determined school funding and teacher raises. Some of the other groups included "at-risk" and "below federal poverty-line". I feel safe in asserting all of my "BVE" students fell into one of the latter two categories.

Bottom line. . .each group of students had the same extent of ground to cover in learning standard English. However the ESL students had a much greater cultural motive. They were largely first- and second-generation immigrants and becoming bilingual was very important to them. My African-American students rarely left the neighborhood unless it was to go to S1x Flags. They didn't really see the point in learning to make subjects and verbs agree since the only people they knew who talked that way were teachers and judges. And besides their cousin went to community college and she only got her GED.

America is a very soul-crushing place.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't like POTUS: it sounds so smugly insider-y to me

exactly!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

It sounds like an imported root.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

What, praytell, is POTUS?

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

President of the United States. . .

I'd like to point out I only know this b/c of the band with the "Lump" song b/c they also had a song called "Kitty" which I liked quite a bit. . .

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I also dont know whats wrong with "veggies" and more to the point was a bit miffed that "too australian" maybe suggests we speak like idiots :(

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

what term SHOULD be employed when referring to the current commander-in-chief?

Shrubya.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 20 August 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

If you have a suitable font, this should probably print a schwa:

ə

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 20 August 2005 06:44 (eighteen years ago) link

(it works for me)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 20 August 2005 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Shrubya.

ding ding ding. okay, this wins.

kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 20 August 2005 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link

we'd have to do fake English accents to say "Emma Bunton" and talk about "Jun May-ja" and "Bessment Jocks."

Except no English person pronounces them that way (er, so how do Yanks pronounce ""Emma Bunton"" exactly?). Otherwise I agree with you.

Definitely Grand Pree and Byerk, but then again Craft Work. But pronouncing all foreign, especially French, words and names with really emphasising the accent ("A Year in Prov-ONCCCE") is just such a middle-class affectation. Calling a restaurant a rest-eau-ROOONHHH and so on. Jeh-rarrhd Deh-pAH-DEUUUHHHH. Boo-lehh-VAHHHHHHDEUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
I mean, fucking hell...

David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Saturday, 20 August 2005 09:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"Vincent Van GOCCCHHHH"

http://www.bschool.nus.edu.sg/staff/bizcjh/movie_files/image141.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 20 August 2005 09:20 (eighteen years ago) link

my friend dr vick - who is dutch - gets cross bcz posh english ppl ties themselves in knots pronouncing french and italian correctly then don't even slightly bother with dutch (viz VAN GO!!) (hint: there's a REASON it's called flemish you know)

my personal rule is: say what is funniest at the time of saying (eg GRAND PRICKS is ALWAYS FUNNY!) (= they are knobheads who drives cars fast and WHO CARES!)

"restaurant" = "ress-tront"
also from now on: BESSMENT JOCKS

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 20 August 2005 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Re "language is fluid": yes it is, and its flow is ahem dialectically determined BOTH by those who make new words and wilful or ignorant mistakes AND those of us who like to complain and attempt to stem these changes!

OleM (OleM), Saturday, 20 August 2005 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

oh oh i forgot the only thing in the entirety of all galactic language formation which annoys me is the phrase "a cup of joe"

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 20 August 2005 09:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"community"

Steve.n. (sjkirk), Saturday, 20 August 2005 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link

YO MAMA

I met a girl recently who always says this! I love her to death, but it's starting to annoy me!!! She always tries to make some kind of "mama" joke after it. oh..........

Aja (aja), Saturday, 20 August 2005 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder why?

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Saturday, 20 August 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"...unless it isn't."

(in critical/cultural discourse following assertion "X is true...")

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 20 August 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

"...as it happens..."

(au courant journalistic convenience for making contrived conclusion read like casual observation)

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 20 August 2005 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

it's rare to hear, but i'm unsually amused when people say "andaconda".

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

grammar nazis annoy the shit out of me

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 20 August 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"[anything] nazis"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 20 August 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi, I'm new. Living in New Jersey, there's a couple NJ-centric phrases that drive me nuts....

"Not for nuthin'"
When used as a preface, this can be translated as: "although my next comment comes unsolicited, please pay attention because it is germane to the topic at hand."
IE "Not for nuthin, but nobody wears acid wash jeans anymore."

"The City"
Referring to New York City
"You going into the city tonight?"

But the worst, which isn't just in NJ, is when people misuse the term "penultimate." It's not a larger, more powerful version of ultimate. You can't say, "Dude, Eruption is the penultimate guitar solo." Penultimate means second to last. So while you can say "There's only one burger left, I just ate the penultimate one," you cannot say "That burger is so good, it's the penultimate burger."

Anyone For Newcomb?, Saturday, 20 August 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

On a modernist/postmodernist literary group I'm in, one person said that Tristram Shandy was 'the penultimate postmodern novel'. I asked him what the last one was.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 20 August 2005 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link


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