i love this stuff and am disgusted by it at the same time. it's like cults and capitalism had some weird marriage together. amway is an old fav.
― Spectrum, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:40 (twelve years ago) link
Trayce, he said: "FAIL! Don't be a writer" and gave a thumbs down, and even blew a raspberry, if I'm not mistaken!
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
Oh ok I was skimming the damn thing, he rambles like a cokehead.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
this trend is pretty much the final collective human dreamsong of psychosis before we all lose our identities permanently, rite?
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
WTF is Zynnia's mysterious tragedy?
Zynnia’s life has been filled with both blessings and also profound loss.
Zynnia’s sole mission and purpose in life is to fully enjoy each moment and live in full awareness and gratitude for the power of now. Zynnia knows all too well, that at any moment tragedy can strike and the whole world you grow comfortable with can be ripped apart.
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:45 (twelve years ago) link
she wanted waffles but they served pancakes instead :'(
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
I mean
Zynnia has lived through it and she has immense wisdom and maturity from that journey. This is why she very consciously chooses a life of dreams coming true.
"it"?
I'd choose a life where dreams come true, but just this week I dreamed that the copier at work was located at O'Hare airport, so I can't risk it.
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:50 (twelve years ago) link
"I'm in the process of both expanding and contracting my business."
blew my mind
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:50 (twelve years ago) link
lol that was my favorite too.
really stoked you are all here, btw.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
amway is an old fav.
see, this is the thing... say what you will about Amway, they may be selling you overpriced toothpaste but at least you're getting an actual product to clean your teeth with.
these dudes aren't even that far removed from people who make money teaching men how to date women (Sean Stephenson has actually dipped in to this), but like, at least with Pick Up Artist gurus, the promise is that dudes will come out less afraid of talking to women-- which is a lot more solid than, "awesomeness!".
also a fan of when zynnia shouts "LIVE VICARIOUSLY THROUGH ME AND MY FAMILY!"
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:58 (twelve years ago) link
lol otm
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:01 (twelve years ago) link
OUT: dance momsIN: video moms
so far, my favorite Mindvalley product is QUANTUM JUMPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just watch this interview Vishen did at the home of Burt Goldman, developer of the Quantum Jumping method:
http://www.quantumjumping.com/special/meet-burt-goldmanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBTmeK52xec
1) count how many times they mention money2) be sure to watch till 6:43. I promise you won't be disappointed.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:02 (twelve years ago) link
i bet you guys are doubling the view count on all of Zynnia's videos right now
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:03 (twelve years ago) link
quaNTUM JUmping
― the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:08 (twelve years ago) link
two phrases came into his head the first was PLANT YOURSELF the second was Take lots of pictures
― the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:09 (twelve years ago) link
heads up, y'all: 2012 will not be the end of the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTsKRAHqrf0
bonus copping of 99% jargon
also:http://i.imgur.com/mFViR.png
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/RNYEY.png
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
i was forced (along with my workmates) to attend a customized motivational seminar once. we managed to completely sabotage it -- i think i made one of the two seminar leaders cry. i am not ashamed. these folks are the lowest of the low, occupying a totally unnecessary niche opened up by the worst tendencies of corporate culture and "self-actualization" rhetoric.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
can you remember who the speaker was?????
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:12 (twelve years ago) link
Trans: "I am in a constant state of starting up new concerns, hoping the IRS wont catch me when I declare bankruptcy on the old ones"
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:14 (twelve years ago) link
xpost
no they were nobodies... folks that were routinely hired by the business school of the university where i worked to provide "teamwork seminars" for different groups. i wasn't in the business school but i guess our boss decided to try them out.
IIRC one of the two speakers was trying to get us to learn about "optimizing teamwork" based on lessons from ... wait for it... people who "successfully" survived the holocaust. i interrupted him and told him that i couldn't leave the seminar because i was being paid to attend but that he would not be continuing this line of discussion.
he looked sort of lost, looked at the other speaker who nodded, then he kind of hung his shoulders and stepped aside for the next part of the seminar.
the head of my department, who arranged the seminar, was mortified.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
"I personally dont believe 2012 will be the end of the world"
WOW AMAZING!~!!!! D:
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
i got a lot of high-fives from coworkers the next day, though.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
IIRC one of the two speakers was trying to get us to learn about "optimizing teamwork" based on lessons from ... wait for it... people who "successfully" survived the holocaust.
oh my god
― horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:18 (twelve years ago) link
guys there are also endless amounts of "video cover letters" from people applying for a job at Mindvalley©
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqUP9jgACAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCNEvMNCU1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISBkiVpjXXM&
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:19 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah wow amst that is... I'm gobsmacked.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:19 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I thought the motivational bullshit day my old workplace pulled on us once was in bad taste (they themed it on "Survivor" the TV show - the week my entire team had been told we were being laid off!).
But that just... wow.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:20 (twelve years ago) link
amateurist that is A+ work
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah. for a guy who was ostensibly a "motivational" speaker he seemed pretty weak and demoralized. i think i ruined his week. i would've felt bad if his presentation wasn't so egregiously offensive.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
this stuff is just megachurches but on a smaller screen and without the vestigial jesus part
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:26 (twelve years ago) link
Mindvalley staff group photo
http://i.imgur.com/fPdKM.jpg
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:30 (twelve years ago) link
^all of these people live & work in Kuala Lumpur
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
the new series "young, attractive, and profoundly flaky" debuts on bravo this saturday!
anyway...
i forgot the other good part of my motivational seminar experience.
one part of the seminar was devoted to a "game" in which we were given note cards, and asked to write--anonymously-- one instance of "positive reinforcement" and one "constructive criticism" of each of our coworkers.
some of my coworkers refused the participate. i should have but decided just to do the "positive reinforcement" part.
some of the "constructive criticism" read like poison pen letters: "beth really has an attitude." "i don't think jeff is any good at his job." "i feel like jeremy is constantly talking down to people."
it made at least one of my coworkers cry. and it ended in a general uproar with us asking the "motivational" speakers for their credentials and wondering aloud how many times they had done this before.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
so basically, if you see a motivational speaker walking down the street, just go ahead and cold cock him or her. you will do the human race a great service.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:34 (twelve years ago) link
lol now i want a comedic series based based on motivational speakers in the style of Party Down
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:39 (twelve years ago) link
that pic looks like a "yelp elite event"
― omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:39 (twelve years ago) link
xpost. just getting a total amway vibe from this awesomefest/mindvalley thing. create a culture where you're special (attracting lost souls, of course = easy marks), using gurus to lead you to The Secret of personal fulfillment (making money, somehow), create a fraudulent presentation that being an affiliate will make you lots of it, with only a tiny chance of that happening.
amway's way creepier, but seems like the same basic deal ... deluding poor souls into parting with their money and getting them to shell out more. Mindvalley/Awesomefest seems linked to The Secret somehow. This is actually pretty interesting.
― Spectrum, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:42 (twelve years ago) link
my friend just got fired from his job working as a lifecoach
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:43 (twelve years ago) link
rather, working for a lifecoach
lol i was gonna say
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:44 (twelve years ago) link
Several people who appeared/starred in The Secret have spoken at Awesomeness Fest
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
seminar as placebo effect
― omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
so much shame in that room...
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:47 (twelve years ago) link
part of an email friend got back when trying to get paid for the two weeks before he was fired:
On an practical and business front. Since you were hired on as a subcontractor in the get go and that from the outset we were going to take a look a few months down the road as to how we were to proceed, I feel as though that has come to fruition. And although the review of things did not look like we both thought it was going to, both initially and according to where we were playing weeks before christmas, it happened the way it did. In my mind it occurred and adjusted to suit the situation and position I found myself in (with complete commitment to not doing another thing that looked like it did prior to that moment). Although that might be hard to explain, interpret or understand, things like this happen for some of us and there is a watershed and things change overnight. It did, there's no other explanation or rationale.
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:50 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:51 (twelve years ago) link
honestly that is the freakiest thing about this phenomenon to me, the way it seems to curdle people's ability to use language properly. a college roommate got really into the landmark forum and it was like she just spoke gibberish all the time suddenly.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:55 (twelve years ago) link
i have a couple of friends who got into landmark forum and invited me to join a writer's group they were putting together, and i realized about three meetings in i was accidentally getting landmarked.
― omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:56 (twelve years ago) link
i quit before we went to "cafe gratitude"
whoops, that was an xpost
and yeah, Raniere's angle was that he was doofy and faux-humble. nearly all the footage of him teaching something starts with his claims of humility or normality followed with rebukes whenever he's contradicted. and the people coaching others to yell at each other, stay in physically stressing positions, etc. are doing it when he's not there
― mh, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link
nicki clyne's irl story arc from key battlestar galactica actor who could have perhaps used that as a springboard to more, to dancing outside a prison in support of a sex cult guru is really something. everyone has gone insane the last decade.
― omar little, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 17:27 (one year ago) link
I haven't finished season 2 of The Vow but during the first few episodes I kept having this terrible idea: they should show the clip of her character's last scene from BSG because it'd be funny
― mh, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 17:28 (one year ago) link
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vnb9/a-fest-review-vishen-lakhiani
― gr8080, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 16:48 (one year ago) link
oh hell yeah Vishen is back!
― mh, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 17:25 (one year ago) link
"It's about bliss, but it's also about the fist."
― nickn, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 17:52 (one year ago) link
personal growth does not exist but people change over time. People are not trees.
― | (Latham Green), Friday, 13 January 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link
What about Ents
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 January 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/ZfTiURT.png
― | (Latham Green), Friday, 13 January 2023 18:12 (one year ago) link
Jack is the only one I follow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP40RWwhoRw
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 13 January 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link
Then you might like this which contains samples from a Lalanne POWER JUICER infomercial!!
https://archive.org/details/power-power-pro-infomercial-edit/The+Original+Power+1+-+Fruit+Fruit+Fruit.mp3
― | (Latham Green), Friday, 13 January 2023 21:00 (one year ago) link
https://www.edmylett.com/
This guy is trending on TikTok because he decided that he lives four six hour days instead of one 24 hour day, thus making him 3 times as efficient as you fuckin’ losers. (Can’t make it to 400% kings still gotta sleep.)
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 15 January 2023 11:00 (one year ago) link
It’s amazing that “Internet entrepreneurs of teaching you how to be an Internet entrepreneur” is still such an effective grift, feels like it should have gone extinct halfway through Obama’s first term.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 15 January 2023 11:02 (one year ago) link
Is Tim Ferriss still alive or did he OD on MCT oil and supplements smuggled in from a remote island in the Pacific?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 15 January 2023 11:03 (one year ago) link
Just wait until he discovers Time Cube!
― blatherskite, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 15:56 (one year ago) link
The Power of STeroids
― | (Latham Green), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 20:18 (one year ago) link
Going down a rabbit hole re: lesswrong, effective altruism, AI researchers, and this group "Leverage" that existed in oakland a few years ago. Some of this stuff is tangentially related to Sam Bankman Fried and his polycule of nutters, I believe. There doesn't seem to be much written about all of this from the outside.
https://medium.com/@zoecurzi/my-experience-with-leverage-research-17e96a8e540b
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 00:56 (one year ago) link
"The explicit strategy for world-saving depended upon a team of highly moldable young people self-transforming into Elon Musks" jfc. the damage this guy has done by simply existing.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 01:09 (one year ago) link
I shared that with a friend and half an hour later she had a link to the Leverage Discord. I'm afraid to join but so curious
― what you say is true but by no means (lukas), Friday, 8 September 2023 01:59 (one year ago) link
from what I can tell he has rebranded and maybe relaunched this organization? it's very weird to me. this isn't NXIVM level shit yet, that I can tell (no branding of sex slaves; some reports of inappropriate 'workplace' relationships though), but it's close, with the packed calendars, continual 'debugging' (think scientology and auditing, or NXIVM's "EM"s), psychological manipulation. Who is funding this shit? Silicon Valley VCs.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 02:53 (one year ago) link
I stumbled on this stuff the weirdest way. Berkeley is introducing a new Mental Health Crisis team (like, half a day, 4 days a week, who can deal with something like 3 calls a day). Berkeley has like, a LOT of mentally ill people on the streets in crisis any time of the day. I hate people who comment on Berkeleyside and Berkeleyscanner, but someone did point a link to this article about someone who had a psychotic episode in a restaurant and then physically attacked the crisis worker who came (alone?) in her car. this was in 2017. This is the original story:
https://www.berkeleyside.org/2017/04/25/update-city-mental-health-worker-strangled-choked-carjacking-outside-whole-foods
I looked this guy up and he got 5 years. I found his name linked in a lesswrong post calling out abuses related to two orgs, CFAR and MIRI. He basically was somehow associated with MIRI (I believe) and cracked up.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pQGFeKvjydztpgnsY/occupational-infohazards
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 02:59 (one year ago) link
I heard about LessWrong when Decoding The Gurus recently ran an episode about Eliezer Yudkowksy. There's a definite infohazard self-sealing cult-thought to their writings and I'm troubled at how popular it all is amongst AI researchers.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 September 2023 06:09 (one year ago) link
wow @that medium link“3. Geoff estimated that there were roughly 10 “super weapons” or “super theories.” He said we already had 1–2, one being we had solved philosophy (but not completely, he admitted — all he had left to do was prove that time exists and maybe a few other details, was what I remember him saying).”
― brimstead, Friday, 8 September 2023 06:17 (one year ago) link
Big echoes of scientology
"The explicit strategy for world-saving depended upon a team of highly moldable young people self-transforming into Elon Musks. For a long time, what was asked of me in order to maintain my funding was to “become a self-debugger”
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 September 2023 06:25 (one year ago) link
researching who funds this stuff I ran across this: https://survivalandflourishing.fund
which got funding from:
https://saveourplanet.org/projects/survival-and-flourishing/#:~:text=We%20currently%20serve%20as%20volunteers,administer%20grants%20from%20funding%20provided
though oddly, I only found that link by googling, it's been taken off the saveourplanet.org navigation. NGO that seems otherwise benign. But these other groups smell.... nazi adjacent to me. Dunno. Lotta white dudes who think they are destined to save the earth.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 06:46 (one year ago) link
Twin Flames documentary on Netflix is great.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 19 November 2023 02:50 (one year ago) link