can you remember who the speaker was?????
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:12 (twelve years ago) link
"I'm in the process of both expanding and contracting my business."
Trans: "I am in a constant state of starting up new concerns, hoping the IRS wont catch me when I declare bankruptcy on the old ones"
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:14 (twelve years ago) link
xpost
no they were nobodies... folks that were routinely hired by the business school of the university where i worked to provide "teamwork seminars" for different groups. i wasn't in the business school but i guess our boss decided to try them out.
IIRC one of the two speakers was trying to get us to learn about "optimizing teamwork" based on lessons from ... wait for it... people who "successfully" survived the holocaust. i interrupted him and told him that i couldn't leave the seminar because i was being paid to attend but that he would not be continuing this line of discussion.
he looked sort of lost, looked at the other speaker who nodded, then he kind of hung his shoulders and stepped aside for the next part of the seminar.
the head of my department, who arranged the seminar, was mortified.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
"I personally dont believe 2012 will be the end of the world"
WOW AMAZING!~!!!! D:
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
i got a lot of high-fives from coworkers the next day, though.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
IIRC one of the two speakers was trying to get us to learn about "optimizing teamwork" based on lessons from ... wait for it... people who "successfully" survived the holocaust.
oh my god
― horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:18 (twelve years ago) link
guys there are also endless amounts of "video cover letters" from people applying for a job at Mindvalley©
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqUP9jgACAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCNEvMNCU1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISBkiVpjXXM&
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:19 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah wow amst that is... I'm gobsmacked.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:19 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I thought the motivational bullshit day my old workplace pulled on us once was in bad taste (they themed it on "Survivor" the TV show - the week my entire team had been told we were being laid off!).
But that just... wow.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:20 (twelve years ago) link
amateurist that is A+ work
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah. for a guy who was ostensibly a "motivational" speaker he seemed pretty weak and demoralized. i think i ruined his week. i would've felt bad if his presentation wasn't so egregiously offensive.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
this stuff is just megachurches but on a smaller screen and without the vestigial jesus part
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:26 (twelve years ago) link
Mindvalley staff group photo
http://i.imgur.com/fPdKM.jpg
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:30 (twelve years ago) link
^all of these people live & work in Kuala Lumpur
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
the new series "young, attractive, and profoundly flaky" debuts on bravo this saturday!
anyway...
i forgot the other good part of my motivational seminar experience.
one part of the seminar was devoted to a "game" in which we were given note cards, and asked to write--anonymously-- one instance of "positive reinforcement" and one "constructive criticism" of each of our coworkers.
some of my coworkers refused the participate. i should have but decided just to do the "positive reinforcement" part.
some of the "constructive criticism" read like poison pen letters: "beth really has an attitude." "i don't think jeff is any good at his job." "i feel like jeremy is constantly talking down to people."
it made at least one of my coworkers cry. and it ended in a general uproar with us asking the "motivational" speakers for their credentials and wondering aloud how many times they had done this before.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
so basically, if you see a motivational speaker walking down the street, just go ahead and cold cock him or her. you will do the human race a great service.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:34 (twelve years ago) link
lol now i want a comedic series based based on motivational speakers in the style of Party Down
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:39 (twelve years ago) link
that pic looks like a "yelp elite event"
― omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:39 (twelve years ago) link
xpost. just getting a total amway vibe from this awesomefest/mindvalley thing. create a culture where you're special (attracting lost souls, of course = easy marks), using gurus to lead you to The Secret of personal fulfillment (making money, somehow), create a fraudulent presentation that being an affiliate will make you lots of it, with only a tiny chance of that happening.
amway's way creepier, but seems like the same basic deal ... deluding poor souls into parting with their money and getting them to shell out more. Mindvalley/Awesomefest seems linked to The Secret somehow. This is actually pretty interesting.
― Spectrum, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:42 (twelve years ago) link
my friend just got fired from his job working as a lifecoach
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:43 (twelve years ago) link
rather, working for a lifecoach
lol i was gonna say
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:44 (twelve years ago) link
Several people who appeared/starred in The Secret have spoken at Awesomeness Fest
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
seminar as placebo effect
― omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
so much shame in that room...
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:47 (twelve years ago) link
part of an email friend got back when trying to get paid for the two weeks before he was fired:
On an practical and business front. Since you were hired on as a subcontractor in the get go and that from the outset we were going to take a look a few months down the road as to how we were to proceed, I feel as though that has come to fruition. And although the review of things did not look like we both thought it was going to, both initially and according to where we were playing weeks before christmas, it happened the way it did. In my mind it occurred and adjusted to suit the situation and position I found myself in (with complete commitment to not doing another thing that looked like it did prior to that moment). Although that might be hard to explain, interpret or understand, things like this happen for some of us and there is a watershed and things change overnight. It did, there's no other explanation or rationale.
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:50 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:51 (twelve years ago) link
honestly that is the freakiest thing about this phenomenon to me, the way it seems to curdle people's ability to use language properly. a college roommate got really into the landmark forum and it was like she just spoke gibberish all the time suddenly.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:55 (twelve years ago) link
i have a couple of friends who got into landmark forum and invited me to join a writer's group they were putting together, and i realized about three meetings in i was accidentally getting landmarked.
― omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:56 (twelve years ago) link
i quit before we went to "cafe gratitude"
A BREAKDOWN OF A LIFECOACH:
Here's the first email my friend got from the dude:
This is the start of something big and quite frankly something never before developed or experienced on the face of this planet.What we will accomplish together will be directly downloaded from Source and put into practice by You and Me.It will change not only our lives but the world as we know it and expand all that is from this moment forward.I am excited, enthusiastic and looking very much forward to our creation of team and moving this into action.
Welcome!
Here's the last email friend got from the dude:
I am simply not ready to move forward with my business endeavors at this point.Everyday I wonder when and if it will surge but to date I am simply disinterested in reentering into "business as usual" again.It is actually repulsive to me at the moment and thus keeping me from engaging in anything that resembles what we were doing prior to years end.
I am not exactly sure what else to say as a result of the experience I am having.I suppose we can go through the week from my standpoint and see what occurs and because I have no idea when this experience I am having will change, I can not predict the outcome and really have no desire to do that anyway.
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
funny thing is the most landmarky of that group really DID write in total bizarre gibberish
― omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
in his defense the only reason the friend worked for the dude was to get some money after travelling a bunch and ending up back in his home state
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:59 (twelve years ago) link
In my mind it occurred and adjusted to suit the situation and position I found myself in (with complete commitment to not doing another thing that looked like it did prior to that moment).
http://images.wikia.com/characters/images/3/35/Norman-bates.gif
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:59 (twelve years ago) link
but still it was a p horrible idea
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 07:00 (twelve years ago) link
can we call awesomefest Burning Mind
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 07:03 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ "Burning Mind"
omar/horseshoe: i am unfamiliar with landmark!!!! enlighten me!!
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:05 (twelve years ago) link
so much shame in that room...― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:47 PM (1 hour ago)
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:47 PM (1 hour ago)
feel like we could do a whole ws of shame pollthread w/ this page:
http://www.awesomenessfest.com/meet-the-tribe/
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:21 (twelve years ago) link
xp This Observer article (yeh, lol observer, but still . . . ) seems an even-handed write-up.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/dec/14/ameliahill.theobserver
It makes the whole thing sound like the plot of Good Will Hunting.
― get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:28 (twelve years ago) link
i have a coworker who spends all his vacation days flying to like new zealand and places for life coach training, but i have tried to avoid the subject because he's a bit of a talker and also i kind of enjoy the insane ambition of the term LIFE COACH devoid of whatever weird 10-step literature goes along with it, especially since dude is such just a regular ho-hum guy. it's so weird to think that he could be another guy's life coach, i don't know.
― rent, Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:29 (twelve years ago) link
like, does anyone actually hire a freelance life coach??
― rent, Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:30 (twelve years ago) link
or i guess you just run meetings and that huh. i want a life coach to follow me around and suggest i do things all day, like "you should take an umbrella".
― rent, Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:33 (twelve years ago) link
how to live.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/QyN8i.png
all this inspirational shit working so fucking hard to deny the essential tragedy of the human condition just makes me think of it more and more.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:48 (twelve years ago) link
landmark is this super-culty west-coast based semi-offshoot of scientology (maybe not an offshoot, per se, but they emerged around the same time and w/similar ideas.) basically a self-help pyramid scheme, promises to get rid of all negative energy etc, the usual. you go to these seminars that are apparently super intense and you're supposed to just talk and let all your secrets out or whatever and basically talk away the pain with other people and then you're all bros and you're supposed to recruit friends into the group and they make you teach courses as well (as part of your membership.) it's similar to scientology in that it tries to be all super-positive but if you question it, they get aggro. plus it's "suggested" that you should cut negative people out of your life (which = lots of non-landmark folks, which i think is what sort of happened to my two friends.)
i mentioned cafe gratitude b/c it's this big vegan chain from SF that recently "sprouted" (lol) in l.a. and i guess they were going to close the SF locations b/c of lawsuits stemming from people working there being pressured to take landmark classes and in some cases being canned if they refused.
it's basically creepy b/c it's very high-pressure and people get all vacant-eyed when they sing its praises. i tend to think self-help shit is for complete suckers anyway, because there's no one group that has to answers to complex human emotions, relationships, desires, and pains, but hey people believe it anyway.
― omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:58 (twelve years ago) link
article regarding the cafe gratitude thing w/some hilarious dead-eyed comments from landmark acolytes (which as per usual w/this sort of thing go beyond the "hey it's really not that bad" form of damage control.)
http://laist.com/2011/11/29/agressive_lawsuits_forcing_cafe_gra.php
― omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 09:01 (twelve years ago) link
Wasnt there a news story about some Landmarked woman who went nuts and jumped out of a window?
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 09:43 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, here it is:http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/20/putting-self-help-groups-under-the-microscope/
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 09:49 (twelve years ago) link
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, February 2, 2012 2:03 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 2 February 2012 11:53 (twelve years ago) link
I stumbled on this stuff the weirdest way. Berkeley is introducing a new Mental Health Crisis team (like, half a day, 4 days a week, who can deal with something like 3 calls a day). Berkeley has like, a LOT of mentally ill people on the streets in crisis any time of the day. I hate people who comment on Berkeleyside and Berkeleyscanner, but someone did point a link to this article about someone who had a psychotic episode in a restaurant and then physically attacked the crisis worker who came (alone?) in her car. this was in 2017. This is the original story:
https://www.berkeleyside.org/2017/04/25/update-city-mental-health-worker-strangled-choked-carjacking-outside-whole-foods
I looked this guy up and he got 5 years. I found his name linked in a lesswrong post calling out abuses related to two orgs, CFAR and MIRI. He basically was somehow associated with MIRI (I believe) and cracked up.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pQGFeKvjydztpgnsY/occupational-infohazards
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 02:59 (one year ago) link
I heard about LessWrong when Decoding The Gurus recently ran an episode about Eliezer Yudkowksy. There's a definite infohazard self-sealing cult-thought to their writings and I'm troubled at how popular it all is amongst AI researchers.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 September 2023 06:09 (one year ago) link
wow @that medium link“3. Geoff estimated that there were roughly 10 “super weapons” or “super theories.” He said we already had 1–2, one being we had solved philosophy (but not completely, he admitted — all he had left to do was prove that time exists and maybe a few other details, was what I remember him saying).”
― brimstead, Friday, 8 September 2023 06:17 (one year ago) link
Big echoes of scientology
"The explicit strategy for world-saving depended upon a team of highly moldable young people self-transforming into Elon Musks. For a long time, what was asked of me in order to maintain my funding was to “become a self-debugger”
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 September 2023 06:25 (one year ago) link
researching who funds this stuff I ran across this: https://survivalandflourishing.fund
which got funding from:
https://saveourplanet.org/projects/survival-and-flourishing/#:~:text=We%20currently%20serve%20as%20volunteers,administer%20grants%20from%20funding%20provided
though oddly, I only found that link by googling, it's been taken off the saveourplanet.org navigation. NGO that seems otherwise benign. But these other groups smell.... nazi adjacent to me. Dunno. Lotta white dudes who think they are destined to save the earth.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 06:46 (one year ago) link
Twin Flames documentary on Netflix is great.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 19 November 2023 02:50 (eleven months ago) link