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But that's from a production angle.

I am seriously worried about my bed fitting into my new bedroom. After finally buying a big boy bed this year, I will be REALLY UPSET if it doesn't fit.

xp The only software I need to know for my job is Adobe FrameMaker.

I don't need to know any of those, and I do production! Honestly Quark and, increasingly, InDesign, wd be the most useful programs for me to know more about.

So in conclusion we've established that no two publishing jobs/prospects/systems are ever the same.

John, duke of perth would be a 10 min walk, or that irish place near the lake

Yes. The Bourne Ultimatum is playing at the Logan theater. $3 yo.

@Laurel: Ha, true.

The editor-in-chief of the project I'm currently working on had to get a crash course in Quark before he took on the role. No other project requires anyone in Editorial to know anything about Quark, but his predecessor decided to use it because she came from a design background. It sort of makes sense, anyway, since 75% of the book is just tables, so it's better to see the pages as they'll actually look right away.

I'm just saying that is where the industry is headed, especially for periodicals. Manuscript submission, editorial tracking, scientific review, and even some copy editing are all done online at my job. If one really wants to be "in" the industry, I think it's important to understand as many facets of the process as possible.

I would LUV a production job where I got to use InDesign regularly.

The L&L.

I am very happy to not be working today! I'm going to my sis' wedding rehearsal in a few.

If I need to know what something is going to look like on the page (which is likely), I just require that the designer or typesetter supply it to me as a PDF. File is smaller that way, and easier to forward to Copy Editing for approval and so on -- and less prone to corruption in transit.

^^^^ha, now you're speaking my language :D

Right this moment, I kind of want to sell out and get a terrible job where I'm like raping the environment or running a sweatshop but I actually earn good money. I'm sick of going into panic mode every time there's a financial emergency like the laptop breaking. :(

Does anyone have the Amerie album? Jeff? If the label is going to dilly-dally and keep delaying the release (I was planning on going to a record store this week and buying it), then I'm not sure I have the patience to wait. I have like four or five songs from it already.

The L&L.

Yeah, that occurred to me.

I just remembered, I went to the L&L with my dad once, haha.

Let's see... Broadway and Belmont...

Jacqueline's and Broadway and Roscoe
Friar Tuck at Broadway and... Melrose? Somewhere around there.
Avenue at Broadway and Surf-ish
Town Hall Pub at Halstead and Roscoe-ish

Hi Jenny.

haha JLD just wrote me. He got banned for being nude spock ("whoever that is").

There's a sweet looking little dive bar in between Stella's Diner and a taco place on Broadway and Barry. I don't remember the name (it's one of those Old Style sign bars) but I keep meaning to go in there. A little further south on the east side of Broadway is another nameless dive bar that I intend to patronize in the near future.

Hi Nick!

Hi everybody!

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I had this dream last night where I was with Ben and he wanted to go in this cd store and I was like, ok but I can't buy anything because I shouldn't spend money on music right now. But then they had these Silkworm live bootlegs and I was like, huh I've never seen those anywhere before, maybe I should buy them? But I guess they were just display copies, because to get the actual cd I had to go out back to their garden, where they had all these planters. To get the cds, I had to dig around in the dirt in these planters and sift through random cds in there. I found "No Pocky for Kitty" by Superchunk and considered buying it.

Jenny sent me the Amerie album awhile back but it's on my home computer.

Corrections: Avenue Tavern is on Broadway and Oakdale. Friar Tuck is on Broadway and Wellington.

Addition: The Closet on Broadway between Roscoe and Aldine

"No Pocky for Kitty" by Superchunk

awesome

I think I'll make it a Saturday post-laundry project to do a little Broadway dive bar crawl. I'll start at Joe's and work my way down.

Oh there's a new bar on Broadway and Waveland that actually looks pretty nice. I don't think they have a sign out yet.

The bar next to the lakeshore (reflections? once was gay) is fine for a drink or two.

^^^^ha, now you're speaking my language :D

Not mine! I mostly deal with paper. It either arrives in my inbox to be handled, or I take it from a vertical file, or I open up an electronic file in FrameMaker and print it out. After it's edited, it goes it a supervisor or editor for final approval, and in most cases, I then input whatever corrections are to be made within FrameMaker. The only other thing I do online is track the file via WorkFlow (promote the article to the next stage).

I am guessing that my experience is so different from both of yours because a) I am in Copy, and b) I am almost always working with small, discrete articles that are assembled into a larger product, the organization and production of which usually happens much later and is at that point out of my hands.

Eric, on Belmont? I always feel like I'm missing out on some good bars to the east.

Nick, write a definitive guide to Chicago bars and I will do the research for you for free and that can be your new income-generating scheme. No one will get hurt! Except maybe me, but I'm okay with that.

Thanks for the recs!

I went to Town Hall Pub once -- it was pretty all right. Although there was some white-boy reggae band playing .... errrgh.

Yeah, reflections is right between the lakeshore and reckless on broadway (lakeshore theater, that is).

Nick, you can sell out without clubbing seals. look into corporate/financial editing.

Apparently Reflections is called Brendan's now.

This New Young Pony Club record is much better than it has any right to be.

As long as you're talking about publishing, maybe y'all can help me out on this cross word...what's a kind of binding that allows a book to open flat? WI???D??

sometimes i wonder if leaf is selling out a little bit b/c he's leaning toward corporate law. but then again, i have heard his reasons for wanting this work & i think they are solid & totally just (too long to go into here). on the other hand, his first choice at his new job is to work with wind farms & getting them set up. his second choice is trademark & copyright law.

i just say all this, nick, because i was feeling unsettled about leaf's work a little bit but there are ways to go about making more money while still doing good things. as a friend of mine once said, "the revolution needs funding too."

wow jordan. i have no idea other than "spiral".

Wire-O, or some variation. It could be a specific trade name, though, as I think "Wire-O" is.

Leif's doppleganger (my friend Tom) is already a corporate lawyer. Weird.

Brendan's! By golly, I think that's dive bar numero dos. Thanks, E. I hereby second the recommendation for that one.

Town Hall Pub is okay. It's a Grateful Dead bar and juke box is kind of jam band nightmare, but it's nice to sit at the bar and the bartenders are pretty cool. It's also the post-Playground show bar of choice for the improv set.

Yeah, I would bet that it begins "WIRE..." -- no idea what the rest is.

how is he leaf's doppleganger? do they have somewhat parallel lives or did you think that leaf looked like tom when you met him?

Nick, write that down for the definitive bar guidebook.

xp - what I said, not what John said. Unless you think it's germane. It is, after all, your book.

Umm comb binding, wire binding, double wire, spiral, spiral-O, Wire-O, twin-loop, double loop, coil, are all minor variations on the same thing...but none of them fit the puzzle. :(

It's also the post-Playground show bar of choice for the improv set.

That's the context in which I've been there. Isn't it also known for hosting crazy, jam-packed Flosstradamus sets?

How much does seal-clubbing pay? What are the benefits?

I'm pretty sure it's an independent contractor, piecework set up.

1099, strictly

you have to really love the work