Calif. teacher resigns after leaving family for student

it's funny you mention that but what makes it okay is the seven other girls - i will just absolutely not see one or other student w/o another student or teacher around because it's a huge red flag

― the late great, Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:35 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, it's a sad product of the age we live in, but i'm beginning to be of the opinion that adults should pretty much never be allowed unsupervised one-on-one time w other people's kids. not saying that there should be a law against it or w/e, but if i had kids, i'd be extremely careful abt such situations.

pretty stupid age we live in then

I dunno I'm hard-pressed to think of a time as a kid when I was left one-on-one with a (non-relative) adult with absolutely no one else around. it is sort of unusual.

yeah and as a teacher i can't think of any good reason i would be alone with a student in a private setting.

music lessons?

being alone with one of my schoolteachers would be a bit odd tho yeah

What is it with Modesto? Gary Condit's from there, other things I can't remember.

yeah and as a teacher i can't think of any good reason i would be alone with a student in a private setting.

yeah I guess I was definitely alone in the classroom with teachers at various points (detention, etc.)

xp

i was strictly talking about high school teachers.

nowadays you leave the door open in those situations and you organize to have more than one kid doing detention together. it's a little bit of extra work to organize but actually more efficient than dealing with everyone in a truly "one on one" way.

at my school all the doors and walls are glass so everybody in the halls can see into every classroom, so even when i'm working with one student at a time it's not "private".

yeah that was def the case at my schools - classroom doors were open, windows all around

Yeah if any of my friend or I had to stay behind after class, the teacher was usually cool with leting my friends stand by the door or at the back of the classroom to wait, I don't remember very many one-on-one closed door situations.

We did have a couple of rumored pervy/creepy teachers...I always wondered how true those rumors were.

probably very

yeah, probably true, unfortunately there seems to be at least one at every school ... we had an aide dude who was in college (i think he was 21) get fired last year for arranging to meet up w/ a 10th grade student at an all-ages show ... so, so sketchy.

I can name at least three teachers who either was convicted of molestation or ran off with their 18-year-old former student.

it's such a fine line

anyway i can think of one from my school, and one marriage from my college. college is entirely another story tho, not least for the legal reasons

My parents were both teachers. One of their fellow teachers - a guy who was around my age (late 20s/early 30s at the time) – would drive the 75 miles down to Little Rock to sit with my parents and watch my little (then-junior high) sister ice skate.

They thought nothing of it, but I constantly repeated to them my suspicions of a single dude that age making four-hour road trips to watch a 13-year-old ice skate.

Nothing ever happened that I heard about except that his contract wasn't renewed after he failed to show up a few mornings because he was too hungover.

one of our science teachers had a wall of photographs of female students in his office, and his favored female student in my class used to arm herself with at least two male students for company when she had to go in for extra help. it is insane to me that that dude didn't get fired. it was a private school with a very insular culture, but still.

ime while things can definitely get blown out of proportion, the student rumor-mill tended not to fabricate these kinds of accusations out of whole cloth - when these kinds of questions arose it was usually one of two scenarios. 1) teacher actually DID do something questionable/unethical/pervy and the victim whispered about it to someone else and the rumors spread among the student populace from there ,or 2) "Satanic Panic" syndrome and the students were led to invent stuff based on the paranoid prodding of authority figures (cops, parents, etc.)

xp

now that I think about it, we used to joke that our 10th grade math teacher paid extra attention to one girl cause she would wear shirts that showed cleavage. I didn't think too much of it at the time, but...

one rumored-pervy teacher was the Dad of a girl in my class. he was our Music teacher in 7th grade. There were rumors of him feeling up girls and keeping them after class and also of him perving on girls in locker rooms? Which doesn't make sense to me now because he was never anywhere near the gym but whatever. On my first day of school I was told by an older girl to always be first out the door when the bell rings, don't give him any excuse to keep you after class which totally made me O_O, I avoided him like the plague.

the other pervy teacher was a history/english teacher, he mostly taught the senior classes. The rumor was that he had holes in his pockets so that he could play with himself in class, and that he was into child porn. I vaguely remember some apocryphal stories of him either bringing in explicit sex stories to a class or giving one to a student to take home. He gave off super creepy vibes, I did not like being around him at all.

My friend's wife always complains because she participated in pretty much every choir opportunity in high school, her parents were always key in the fundraising efforts, and if she runs into the director he never seems to remember her. He always remembers her gay male friend who was also in choir, though!

Said choir director came out of the closet at some point, got divorced, etc. sometime after she was in high school.

I have, multiple times, told the story of how my Spanish teacher asked me out after I transferred out of his class. That was just weird.

como estas?

I had a friend/frat bro in college who was constantly dumping girlfriends for younger models. He went on to become an HS music teacher, and three years ago he plead guilty to multiple counts of sexual battery & gross sexual imposition for having sex with a 17 year old student. (He was 42.)

One of my HS math teachers was later fired for messing around with cheerleaders when his wife, the cheerleading coach, had the girls at her house for a team sleepover. He wasn't creepy, he was your normal jock dude slightly grown up and married, therefore all the football players and student athletes liked him. An asshole, yes, but in the "normal" range, unfortunately. Come to think of it, though, there were jokes even in my year about him looking at girls in tight pants.

Holy shit Phil

The real punchline is that he was a musical theater major! (j/k)

But yeah, when he was a junior and senior, he dumped like three girlfriends to hook up with the latest freshman ingenues in the theater department. Also, the school at which his criminal activities happened is an all-girls Catholic school.

theater people and Catholic school, oh my

I had a very pretty friend in HS and every time she asked our Trig teacher to explain something, he would come over and lean over her shoulder ostensibly so they were both looking at the same page. It wasn't a bad posture for glimpsing at boobage, either, as EVERYONE in the class knew 'cause he only ever did that with her.

there is something so depressing about the pattern of behavior leading up to the moment of being hired at a school. it reminds me of that nyrb article a while back about sexual abuse by authorities in juvenile detention systems. iirc the article started out with, "adults who want to have sex with children seek out jobs in schools and juvenile prisons."

I'm happily married, in love with my wife, secure in growing older, but if my wife said "Oh, by the way Honey, I'm inviting the cheerleading squad over to our house for a sleepover this weekend," my reply would likely be something along the lines of "That sounds great. If you need anything, I'll be in Tunica County, Mississippi."

little do you know... this weekend, tunica county is hosting the largest cheerleading convention in the country

Here he is playing George Gould Strong in "Grey Gardens" and also his mug shot.

http://images.broadwayworld.com/upload/42990/tn-500_grey2.jpg

http://media.cleveland.com/metro/photo/patrick-janson---mug-shot-1jpg-11be96e48f0e0ae5_small.jpg

omg

When I taught SAT prep (in my 20s) there were certainly times I found high school students attractive. Acting on it was just so completely out of the question though -- the idea was as remote as a sexual fantasy set on the moon.

the idea was as remote as a sexual fantasy set on the moon.

cue Revenge of the Nerds clip

Low gravity sex. Excellent!

one small boner for man

After years of rumor and reports by band kids (I was a choir dork), my high school band director (and leader of the creepy culty marching band) finally got caught in the act a year or two back. The student had just turned 18 so all he got was fired.

We had a case here of a local teacher who had been drugging and taking sexually explicit photos of girls that came over to his house for sleepovers with his daughter.I believe that he molested quite a few of the girls as well. One of the girls was the daughter of one of our closest friends...it still freaks me out that it could have happened to her. So awful. This is the only active link I could find to the story:
http://www.kcra.com/news/3511974/detail.html

this is the opening of the nyrb article:

Adults who want to have sex with children sometimes look for jobs that will make it easy. They want authority over kids, but no very onerous supervision; they also want positions that will make them seem more trustworthy than their potential accusers. Such considerations have infamously led quite a few pedophiles to sully the priesthood over the years, but the priesthood isn’t for everyone. For some people, moral authority comes less naturally than blunter, more violent kinds.

Ray Brookins worked for the Texas Youth Commission (TYC), the state’s juvenile detention agency. In October 2003, he was hired as head of security at the West Texas State School in Pyote. Like most TYC facilities, it’s a remote place. The land is flat to the horizon, scattered with slowly bobbing oil derricks, and always windy. It’s a long way from the families of most kids confined there, who tend to be urban and poor; a long way from any social services, or even the police. It must have seemed perfect to Brookins—and also to John Paul Hernandez, who was hired as the school’s principal around the same time. Almost immediately, Brookins started pulling students out of their dorms at night, long after curfew, and bringing them to the administration building. When asked why, he said it was for cleaning.

so, are there any ilxors who didn't encounter a student-molesting teacher in hs?

I don't recall any at my high school.

I would like to point out that my Spanish teacher, to my knowledge, never molested anyone or acted inappropriately with anyone who was a current student of his; I had also just turned 18 when he asked me if I wanted to get coffee sometime (I believe he was 24 at the time). So, while I definitely would call him inappropriate, I would not call him "student-molesting".

There was a math teacher in my HS who I'm pretty sure had a relationship with a 17-year-old student. I didn't really know the teacher or the student but it was something talked about and the teacher wound up leaving, so it was probably true.

Also I had a male music teacher start rubbing my shoulders in a very suggestive way and speaking to me in a hushed tone once.

It was actually a surprisingly scarring experience, although I got over it later.

Ditto with the English teacher who married his daughter's best friend; she was well out of college when that all happened.

I never knew the teacher who slept with a 15-year-old student and then claimed she had a brain tumor to deflect attention away from those allegations when people started getting suspicious.

There was also the time when one my friends happened to catch the school librarian making out with one of the English teachers in a bathroom stall but no students were involved in that. (I'm also not 100% sure it was the librarian; I do remember that one of the guys was my soccer coach.)

None at my HS.

I think the takeaway is that all schools should be burned to the ground