Best CHEERS character

The wiki entry for "Cliff Clavin" was evidently written by someone only passingly familiar with English:

Cliff does not have an on-screen relationship with any woman. He attempts every woman but becomes rejected.

"only passingly"? cmon, that's high level esl ;)

Ratzenberger requested an addition of a know-it-all character, which resulted Cliff Clavin. Ratzenberger made each of guest appearances as Cliff Clavin in Wings and Frasier.

During high school I had a job working in an office mail room. Every day I'd collect all the mail for the office and walk it up to the post office. Invariably I'd run into this one kid from school who'd always say something like (in a strong Boston accent) "hey, it's Cliff Clavin!"

So I guess I'm voting for Cliff.

he did become a bit more buffoonish post-long

sam was smart at the very beginning, but they made him dumber

Am I the only one here who had never read the stories of Woody Harrelson's father the hit man?

I mean I had no idea, not sure how I missed this.

Certainly adds depth to the actor, for sure.

coach barely over diane over sam over frasier w/ woody a slightly more distant fifth

btw best sitcom all time

better than cosby?

cosby show

by 1,000,000 miles

love cosby but that's probably not even top ten for me

i don't know how, but i have never ever watched this show

xp me neither but i always thought of you as a cos diehard for some reason

off top of my head i got cheers up top, seinfeld and larry sanders right below that, and then sgt bilko, dick van dyke, mary tyler moore, bob newhart, andy griffith, barney miller, and something i'm obviously forgetting. my mind is telling me arrested development but my body my body's telling me petticoat junction.

haha i was kinda surprised that youd be a huge cosby fan for some reason! (xp)

ive been thinking about this all day and im gonna vote diane

bob newhart

this shit is all time - rest of yr list is terribad tho

sorry it's terribad bro

if your body is telling you petticoat junction you have more to worry about than my opinion of yr taste in sitcoms

take your seinfeld-hating to another thread, lamp.

i dont hate seinfeld!

I kinda do

lamp got me - i like white women yall :(

lamp what's yr top ten? flight of the conchords #1, then what?

flight of the conchords is a good show, they have funny songs that are parodies of other, less funny, songs

I can't even think of 10 sitcoms I like or would be willing to sit through regularly, much less which ones are "best". Apart from the Larry Sanders Show, I guess.

Golden Girls and Cheers are pretty consistently funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGpX8qUs1Ng

quite possibly my favorite youtube vid ever

seinfeld's my no. 1 easily, with the honeymooners a close second.

wtf ppl, Cosby Show pwns

suppose you're going to say The Jeffersons and Good TImes were both garbage, too

Didn't ILE do a sitcom ballot poll? Maybe I'm thinking about the comedy films poll.

THE FINAL FOUR What's on TV, ILX? It's the American Sitcom Tournament

Arrested Development won rmde

I dunno how the Simpsons qualifies as a sitcom but it was better than pretty much everything else ever in its heyday

no wait the Simpsons won lol

ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT vs. THE SIMPSONS What's on TV, ILX? It's the American Sitcom Tournament FINAL MATCH

feels like cheating to say simpsons, tho it is the best television show ever of any type

yeah I kinda don't get how two shows that don't have standard three-camera/fixed stage setups qualify as sitcoms but whatever

and ugh the narration in AD, how do people get past that. "And then this thing happened... meanwhile this other thing happened" is like the worst joke set-up in the world and it leans on it constantly.

yeah, danson is the man. ive always loved me some danson. sam's a great character, probably too easy to take for granted since he was always there. he did become a bit more buffoonish post-long

I do think t-dans is a bit underrated in this cast, he owns on cheers and elsewhere too.

Also re : Frasier, on cheers he was a pretty dark occasionally angry dude who was certainly vv different from the guy on his eponymous show. The show might as well have been "Frasier: witness protection program" for how much he left his Boston steez behind when he went to Seattle.

On cheers during the period after Diane left him he was one grim dude. A far cry from farcical fraiser trying to keep his three gfs in different rooms while sharing dinner w all of them at once

ha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug-vwMEEe7E

Oh god, forgot about those horrible sitcom brackets results. (Well, not The Simpsons winning. That's OK. More the Arrested Development knocking out Taxi part. That's dumb.)

(Ditto M*A*S*H beating out All in the Family. And The Monkees beating The Golden Girls.)

Wasn't there a ballot- and points-based poll on sitcoms too?

give me 30 seconds of the monkees over the fuckin' golden girls any day

early all in the family is top 5 material but it did get pretty sappy after the first few seasons.

On the whole, ILX has a decided anti-Norman Lear bent.

AD narration is a) lols, b) allows for greater joke density in non-narration

Danson is a beast on Cheers btw, watch him when the scene belongs to other ppl and he is always 100% on point at supporting the other actors and the situation, always showing Sam as engaged but amused by what's going on if he's not going to enter the scene - letting his face play harmony or gentle counterpoint - and building his reactions and engagement if Sam's going to start interacting proper. So great at showing Sam thinking, too.

And on the smart/dumb thing - he's always rly good at handling, in a sitcom reality, when Sam's in his element and stays calm and smart and on top of things vs him getting dumb *bcz* of swelling hubris or Diane-related fuckwant. <-- this is highlighted by his chasing Rebecca in her early years; sometimes he wins the zings, sometimes the zings sting him, but he's always just enjoying the dance, the performance of it - if he loses it's not a source of frustration, bcz his ego's not involved yet.

give me 30 seconds of the monkees over the fuckin' golden girls any day

I think surm just clutched the pearls.

haha ok maybe that was pushing it but what is it with ppl and that goddamn show