Also DJP are you adopting a child for realsies?
Haven't done it yet, but yes
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:14 (twelve years ago) link
what dan isnt telling you is that that child is l0u1s jagg3r
― max, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
omg
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:18 (twelve years ago) link
a) CONGRATULATIONS DAN & J! :D
b) I am hereby officially offering my babysitting services for not yet adopted but hopefully soon to be little Perry. Either that or you must bring child to all future FAPs so I can hang out with it.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
In answer to the question - better in every single way but not at all because of the government.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
Haha you can bounce lil Louis on your lap while you reach for your pint
Now I have "French Kiss" stuck in my head
Thx everyone, this has been in the works for a while and we finally decided to move on it in earnest last month. Gonna go back to not talking about it until it's a done deal now.
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
Good luck.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
Fantastic Dan, congratulations and best of luck!
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
otm
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
congratz dan.
this thread makes me wonder if a) ppl talking in thread are more likely to be ppl who feel they're better off but that ilx as whole is not so overwhelmingly positive (poll results will indicate this i guesS) and b) if ppl who post on ilx maybe due to stuff like internet access / education / literacy better situated to do okay even in times of economic depression.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
for the last 2+ years i have actually been working on recovery act grants and am in a much better place job-wise and salary-wise. 100+ jobs were created at my organization with ARRA funding. iit also gave me some good experience and now that i am looking for a new job i have been getting more responses and interviews. so yes.
― john zorn has ruined klezmer for an entire generation (bene_gesserit), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
doesn't seem to say much more than ilx (avg age 33 or something) makes more money than four years ago who knew
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
It helps tbh that I actually finished college and then finished college again in the past 4x years. If I hadn't got my masters I wld be manager at a call center right now. The pay was half what I get now and, you know, the job was manager at a call center.
― ms fotheringham (Crabbits), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
I am 33.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
so was Jesus!
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
I hope everyone is factoring in inflation and the fact that they are four years closer to death
― iatee, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:50 (twelve years ago) link
Four years further away for having NEVER EXISTED.
33 is a relatively fortunate age to be in the current climate, a lot of people will have had years of experience of working in a boom, it's a fuck of a lot better than being 21 and trying to get a first job or being in your 60s and seeing your pension evaporate.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
And crucifixion potential! Don't get INRIed my frenxp
― ms fotheringham (Crabbits), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
ppl in their 30s are overall in a better position but they're also the ones who bought the bubbliest houses
― iatee, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
huh, update i just got fukn promoted
― Randy Carol (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
like just now?
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
deems otm
I was definitely thinking b; part of me wonders if an argument could be made that the actual real middle class is better off now than they were 4 years ago but the poor are worse off, although some of that is definitely tied to the myopia caused by my social circles.
Don't get INRIed my fren
this reads like an alternate lyric to "Jumper"
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
the actual real middle class ?
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
xps ya i mean i am actually better off than i was twenty minutes ago
All congrats Djp
― Randy Carol (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
xp
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZieBbZTY-RU/T94NvZTSRsI/AAAAAAAAC3g/OOOIdoq_0p4/s1600/and_wearing_shoes_middle_class_k_750725.jpg
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
as opposed to ppl making $250K+/year in their household or people making under $30K/year for more than one person who still get lumped into "the middle class" for political rhetorical purposes
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
yeah
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
in the uk ppl would describe the actual real middle class as ppl w/ $250K+/year in their household
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
in ireland it's anybody with a job who actually needs to work
― Randy Carol (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:15 (twelve years ago) link
No, the real middle class is the people in the middle. The UK average national income is something like £20k. People who want to define "middle class" as £250k+ are just playing semantic games because we have this stupid tradition of thinking of the "upper class" as being only inbred idiots with titles.
― my god it's full of straw (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
semantic games
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
― Randy Carol (darraghmac), Tuesday, September 4, 2012 2:15 PM (4 minutes ago)
so what about the ppl who made bank prior to 2k8 and diversified
ireland is ill suited to having its own native leisure class
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
they're all in portugal tbf
― Randy Carol (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
luséire class
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
Oh. I've just worked out who "Nilmar" is.
― my god it's full of straw (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
Another UK person here, but three years ago I bought a flat, which 4 years ago I would not have believed would be possible. And as WCC says the interest rate has been low for 3 years so my mortgage rates have been much cheaper than rent.
On the other hand, my 3-year bonus rate on the mortgage just ended, and things like food and bus ticket prices are creeping up faster than my pay. And I last went on a "proper" holiday, where "proper" means not just a long weekend in this country or visiting family in Ireland, in... 2006?
So I feel better off than 4 years ago but worse off than 3 years ago.
(Though really I have not had to tighten the belt, we still eat out and drink too much and get too many takeaways and waste money on shiny impulse buys and buy food which we don't even bother to eat before it goes off. Could really do with learning to budget.)
― still small voice of clam (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
feel bad for people who aren't as dumb as me - every few months I meet about a dozen new ilxors, it's amazing, all these new people. eventually people say "oh that's mark" or whoever but if I miss the thread where they say it I will literally never know
― we don't wanna miss a THING!!! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
I seldom have a clue who anyone is if they change their username.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
i have no idea who nilmar is, where is that one thread
― thomp, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
four years ago: recently made unemployed from a job i was overqualified fornow: recently made unemployed from a job i was even more overqualified for
on the other hand, i am now more qualified and can fail on a theoretically broader set of levels
― thomp, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
shit i actually thought it was nilmar honorato da silva
― Randy Carol (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
ikr
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
he used to post as 'nude spock'
― DG, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
nilmar must be regretting that totally opaque writing style :( congrats Perrys
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
<I>ppl in their 30s are overall in a better position but they're also the ones who bought the bubbliest houses</I>
37 now, didn't buy a house until I was 35, who's laughing now everyone else that's who.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
$250k a year in their household is like £157k or so, that's a couple of people earning £75k each. That's a fuck of a lot of money for most people but if you looked at the lifestyle it provides, in the South of England particular, a lot of people would think "middle class" or "upper middle class". That says as much about costs vs standards of living as it does about British attitudes to class.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
this thread makes me wonder if a) ppl talking in thread are more likely to be ppl who feel they're better off but that ilx as whole is not so overwhelmingly positive
Yeah, not that I'm not happy for y'all (it's genuinely heartening to see a confirmation that so many people are doing so well), but my 'hell no' is kinda sticking out like a sore thumb just now...
― Old Lunch, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
I'm just sad that "sort of? maybe? I guess?" was not an option.
― NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
poll only open to those that can access internet, shame on u iatee
― Randy Carol (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link