Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

It bothered me that she was so dumb wrt technology that she called a random phone number to get someone to help her "fix" the internet, and got all of her hacker skillz from the Shard. Other than that, I like her character.

If Chris Chibnall gets it I will never watch this show again. I hope it is someone entirely new to Who, I think this show needs fresh blood/ideas/etc.

The only current regular writer I'd at all trust is Toby Whitehouse, mainly because of his Being Human pedigree.

Oh and obviously it would be interesting to see what Gaiman would do with it, but I can't see that happening.

That didn't bother me that much, considering that the girl she was nannying obviously was comfortable with technology and rolling her eyes at her ineptitude; also having tried to help both my mother and my father work through wifi issues the tenor of that entire scene basically felt like the truest, most accurate representation of technological befuddlement I'd ever seen.

(xposts obv)

the main takeaway I have of Cornell from his Virgin/BBC books is that, aside from Human Nature, he cannot write or plot for female characters to save his life, so if he takes I would I would expect a massive uptick in complaints about how the women of Who come across

Oh and obviously it would be interesting to see what Gaiman would do with it, but I can't see that happening.

I like his writing BUT his association with Amanda Palmer and his involvement in her moneyspinning activities has kind of made me hate him?

^^^

Oh he's probably a bit of a prick, and I don't like his writing unreservedly. But he's undeniably a great ideas man, and he knows how to handle a long-form narrative.

I've been a longtime fan of his books & short stories. If I scrape away all my recent misgivings about him, admittedly I think I would enjoy seeing what he could do with Who

Yeah, I agree with that. I really would love to see someone who had had nothing to do with Who up until now get a crack at it, though.

are you all ready for Dan Harmon's Doctor Who

YES

Danny Pudi would make a pretty flawless Doctor.

Except for being American and all.

racist

:)

Perfectly serviceable opener, not great but decent enough.

Had a sudden moment of horror towards the end though when all the souls were returned back to their bodies - had an image of some of them waking up to find themselves buried alive. :s

feel like DW never thinks about the full terrifying implications of these big, "alien controls all of humanity" storylines enough (though Torchwood's Children of Earth miniseries came close) - not that I'd want them to do it all the time (too fucking depressing), but sometimes I think it'd be interesting if the show explored that darkness a bit more.

that was the thing though; most of those people were already dead so they didn't really have bodies to return to

They addressed that with 'anything's better than being trapped in a living hell...'

yeah meant to add that

Clara's pencilled-in ages in the front of her book going from 22 to 24, anyone?

yeah I noticed that too

currently guessing that someone is using her as bait for a Doctor trap and that she was taken when she was 23

16's also missing. Apparently it's allegorical to missing seasons of the programme.

What are you talking about

oh lol I should have caught on to that

How is it allegorical to missing seasons of the programme

I don't know why Paul Cornell hasn't been invited back. Family of Blood in 2007 was his last episode.

If I was Cornell I could see not wanting to come back after the terrible rewriting of the end of that

But a) was his invitation actually rescinded after his pilot didn't get picked up? hadn't heard that, and b) when would he possibly have time to write one?

Apparently it's allegorical to missing seasons of the programme.

oh god fanwank

now now lets hear suzy's theory out first

... it's not that complicated a theory; some of her years are missing from the book, and some seasons of Doctor Who are missing

if there's any more to it than that, good luck fandom

hopefully there is, because the second fanwank gets in the way (rather than being part of the scene/plot somehow) it's time to go home

that can't be it, because no seasons of Doctor Who are missing, and while Trial Of A Time Lord (#23) came after the hiatus, The Key To Time (#16) wasn't even delayed or affected by strike or anything

although tbh eliminating the key to time year and the trial year doesn't make all the sense in the world—they existed, they happened (obv i'm not pointing any of this at you suzy) xp

yes

there was a non-Trial of a Time Lord season 23 that was cancelled by the hiatus, so in a sense it is a "missing" season.

yeah but 16 doesn't fit with that in any way - it'd have to be 27 for the other number if so

but like I said, we should actually let suzy explain what she means before arguing over it

i thought she did tbh

that refers to series 16, which will be cancelled in 2021.

haha yes

right now it seems awfully like the missing numbers are missing years of her life, which would fit with moffat's fetish for timey-wimey arcs

I assumed she just didn't read the book so much in those years because she was busy snogging and doing O-levels / working and saving for a trip

i thought she did tbh

obv not since no-one has any idea what she meant!

I do not think the numbers correspond to actual season numbers, sic

how could they possibly allude to missing seasons, then

Not quite clear whether you're being gallant or a dick or just skipping reading comprehension here, sic - Suzy really doesn't have a grand unified theory beyond what she said.

I am genuinely not getting how the numbers are allegorical to missing seasons of Doctor Who, which is why I asked "how are they allegorical to missing seasons of Doctor Who". The only "missing" whole seasons are the theoretical 1985 S23, and the less-theoretical (in that iirc Cartmel has identified the four scripts or stories that would have been commissioned) S27. If the numbers don't relate, how is anyone making the jump of deduction, and if they do, how does 16 tie in?

If anything, someone should be arguing that they were an early-episode wink that Moffatt was lying about there being no story arc this year, given that 16 and 23 are the only series/seasons to ever explicitly have one

(no timewyrmo)

I took suzy to mean:

Some years of her life are missing from the list

Some early years of Doctor Who are missing most of their episodes

That is the only connection; there is not actual significance or correlation beyond some numbers just not being there

having said that, I expect that there will actually be something important that comes up storywise that explains why those numbers aren't there, but right now the theory being floated is "some fan noticed numbers were missing and thought of missing episodes"; you're making this into a Big Grand Thing that isn't even worth thinking about

leaf first page = fall of trenzalore

or too much of a stretch?

Probably, seeing as we call it Autumn.

Are there any UK writers who are women who could become the showrunner? (Yes, I went there.)

sally wainwright