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geek check: I'm using DHTML to position stuff on a website (in divs, with position:absolute), and can't resolve some Netscape 4.x issues. I *have* to fix them, lots of users on campus here are still running the old browsers.

1) The "background-color:white" property for a center <div> is not understood by the browser. I don't know how to fix it! Something with <layer> tags? I have tried, and no luck. Is there a hack?
2) When there is a lot of content in the center <div>, the browser scrunches it all up so that it prints over itself ! What to do?

daria g, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 23:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

are you sure it's "background-color" ?? i'm looking at some example tags and they just have {background: color}

ron (ron), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 23:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

note: i'm no html expert by any means

ron (ron), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 23:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

eh, nevermind, background-color works fine in this browser anyway (opera)

ron (ron), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 00:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

background-color is standard. background alone will also accept values for any background-* setting either on their own or bunched together, so you can save time, space and neatness by specifying "background: white url('pic.jpg') no-repeat fixed center" instead of setting background-color, background-image, etc, separately.

Daria: apologies if this is patronisingly obvious and that was an example of a much more general case, but what if you specify the colour as a hex code, i.e. background-color: #FFFFFF? But Netscape 4.x is really not good with CSS; I've seen that scrunching problem many times and apart from doing a drastically simplified NS stylesheet - no messing with floating or "position:"s either absolute or relative and half my paddings and margins removed, ugh! - I never found a way round it. I have had problems like the first too but can't remember how or whether I fixed it.

Quick hacky way to do extra styles for IE without bothering with any JS or server-side client checking: the line of CSS "@IMPORT url(ie-styles.css);" will work in IE but not in Netscape - I don't remember which way other browsers behave - so you can put your basic styles in one stylesheet and add an import line in it for the IE stuff.

Unfortunately if you're doing anything very fancy with DHTML and CSS I have a nasty feeling you may have to do a cutdown version for Netscape users. Having said that, I too did some work for a university campus with a lot of stubborn NS4.x users and didn't actually have to do anything too drastic apart from the trick above.

Disclaimer: I don't know too much DHTML myself, and for my previous jobs it's been fine to settle for less than perfection in order to meet deadlines. I was also lucky enough to be the most knowledgeable about HTML of anyone there, frightening though that is considering my ineptitude, so if I said something wouldn't work then nobody else would contradict me. There are some fancy pieces of DHTML out there that work fine in Netscape, so maybe I just don't know enough. But from the CSS end Netscape is definitely a mess, even newer versions than 4.

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Dog Latin: Impulse Tracker doesn't like Windows very much, unfortunately. IT3 has now reached beta stage, but it's taken a very long time to get that far, so who knows if it'll ever really happen? Besides, I am rather suspicious of it because Pulse is no longer on the coding team. I have a feeling that the finished product, if it arrives, will turn out different enough in feel to IT that I won't get used to it but still be a long way behind a lot of its current rivals (from Buzz and Psycle in the based-on-trackers arena to all the expensive professional stuff out there). My disappointment with Sk@le (basically Fasttracker 2 remade for Windows) and Renoise makes me wary.

About IT: use the MPU401 drivers if they work at all! Try it S19 and hope it will autodetect; if not, look for the settings in control panel and try specifying them manually. I think this is the closest IT can come to using your modern soundcard to full effect. Unfortunately this doesn't always seem to work even with cards that should be MPU401-compatible. It works now and autodetects on my SB Live but I remember last time I tried it didn't. I have no idea why this might have changed. Unfortunately I can't get any further because of memory and graphics mode problems. I used to get around that with a boot disk but with XP I'm not sure there's anything I can do. I'll try later.

IT's sound drivers are out of date and your modern soundcard's backwards compatibility with cards that existed when it was written is probably a bit dodgy. This could mean that the driver autodetect selects isn't the best - try choosing some others, if you haven't done so - or that you have to use a driver much worse than your card is capable of. On my SB Live the SB Pro driver works but isn't the one autodetect selects and the SB16 and SB AWE (both better soundcards than the Pro) drivers won't work at all, so by default I'd end up using the SB2 drivers. I had a Soundblaster 2 a decade ago. I don't want my computer to sound like that now.

What kind of soundcard do you have? My motherboard has onboard sound but I found it too noisy to use. I don't think it's that the chip itself is that bad, though it's obviously fairly cheap; it's more that it picks up so much interference from other board activity. If you're using a sound chip built into your motherboard I recommend not doing so. If you're using a separate soundcard, try rearranging your card slots so that the soundcard is in the furthest slot from the main section of the motherboard and not immediately next to any other cards.

One last thing: I believe Modplug tracker will read and write (not 100% identically to IT but it sounds fine most of the time) .IT files and can be set up so that the command codes and keyboard layout are as IT's was. I can't stand Modplug personally, so I can't confirm that, nor do I particularly recommend it. I just thought it might be worth a look since it was designed for Windows and will use your card's Windows sound drivers.

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Apologies for such a long post when I suspect none of this will be any help to either of you. I may write boring and badly phrased posts like the above but I'm not really much good at techy things.

Frazer, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 01:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks for the advice ! It's very clear, and I appreciate much that you took all the time to write it out. I'll see what I can tweak to get it running, but it'll have to wait a day or two.. I did try the hex code, I am nearly certain, although I'll double check b/c I may well have overlooked an obvious solution w/o knowing. However, the scrunching and such is *not* I believe an effect of the CSS, since positioning isn't done through CSS, it's done directly through DHTML - this prob wasn't clear from my earlier post since I didn't notice that the ILX software *read* my code tags and didn't print them. Let's try again:
[page content would be here]


Netscape 4.x won't read background-color and is scrunching content. Argh! But don't trouble too much about it, I can always bother my techie brother, he might know. :)

daria g, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 04:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ooops! One more time.

<div id="bodytext" style="background-color:white;position:absolute;visibility:visible;width:700px;left:165px;top:
144px;"> [page content would be here] </div>\

Netscape 4.x won't read background-color and is scrunching content. Argh! But don't trouble too much about it, I can always bother my techie brother, he might know. :)

daria g, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 04:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

to do this stuff without the css, would you have to use tables??

ron (ron), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 06:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not a computer question PER SE but wanted to ask for the illionth time: how to post pictures?

alexfack (alexfack), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 10:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/faq.php?board=1#27

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 10:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

You're kind.

alexfack (alexfack), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 10:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

thanks fritz, i'll print that post out and get a techy mate to look at it :-)

P.S. yeh, I thought of shifting to Buzz or ModPlug but they're just not quite the same, y'know?

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 10:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Macusers in this bitch should get iCommune.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know, DL! I chose Buzz and three years later I'm still struggling to get anything beyond a thirty-second loop. All that modularity, all those FX to be tweaked in realtime, they distract me: I don't have the willpower to concentrate on the actual tracking. Plus all those random buffering/granular sample&hold FX provide instant IDMness and it's very tempting to use both so much that every track sounds the same and is nothing to do with my ideas and everything to do with the fevered ticking of a pseudo-random number generator.

At least, those are the things I'm currently blaming, but even before XP completely stuffed my ability to use IT (it nearly worked in 98 if I didn't mind reinitialising my sound drivers - ctrl-I, I think - every few minutes when a weird buzzing noise would start) I'd stopped getting any tracks finished, so maybe I've just lost whatever inspiration I ever had.

If you can tweak Modplug to use the same layout and commands as IT then it should be far less of a leap since it's really just a plain tracker and no new commands to learn but the interface certainly put me off, you're right that it doesn't feel the same.

I give up on the DHTML thing but I would suspect that Netscape doesn't like the absolute positioning in pixels. If you could rewrite it in tables that should work, as long as you don't have too many tables nesting in convoluted ways inside each other.

Frazer, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 13:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

The great thing about IT is you could have a tune or drum pattern idea in your head, bung it straight into IT and it would be saved for later to muck about with and add bits and pieces. Any other program you have to spend hours making "machines" or setting up your midi so it works or synching things up and it's the music-making equivalent of trying to put on an ill-fitting condom before the urge is lost. RIP Impulse Tracker :-(

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2003 00:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, it doesn't. I think I'm gonna have to find a chunk of code to rip off that serves the browser a different script for NS 4.X using layer tags and not divs. You can position the divs directly in the CSS, but it's touchy, the code I had printed earlier is directly in the source code of the page - it works fine except in Netscape.

The irony is that Netscape 4.x doesn't handle tables nicely either so I recoded the whole site template to avoid the nested table problem. I swear, every time I am all proud of myself for taking a step forward in my technology abilities, the backwards-compatibility issues negate the whole thing. Upgrade yr browsers, people! :)

daria g, Thursday, 17 April 2003 00:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

When the hell is there going to be an alternative to AIX for the first generation RS/6000s? My Powerserver-930 is collecting a hell of a lot of dust...

Dave Fischer, Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Surely someone must have ported Linux or FreeBSD, someone's even taken the trouble to port it to the iPod. there must be a port.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 April 2003 07:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

1. What's iCommune?
2. Don't laugh - how do I use an FTP client on a mac? Is Limewire one? I haven't a clue about this.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 17 April 2003 08:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Limewire is a gnutella client.

The Mac OS X can connect to ftp servers, as can most web browsers.

For Mac OS X, in the finder from the Go menu choose Connect to server. It the box at the bottom type in ftp://serveraddress.here/(path is you like)/ and click connect. If you have a login put in your login and password. Or for anonynous put in login anonymous, password: your email address. The ftp server will then mount on your desktop.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 April 2003 08:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Great, that works. How do I errrr "dismount" them? Disconnect? Trash em?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 17 April 2003 09:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

drag them to the trash which will turn into an eject sign.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 April 2003 09:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've also got an iTunes question - sometimes CDDB/ITunes will screw up the tracklist/running times for a CD (It is currently telling me there are four songs on a cd when there are in fact twelve). Is there any way to correct this?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 17 April 2003 11:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Weird have you tried requesting the track names again? I'm not sure where cd data is stored so I'm not sure about deleting things manually.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 April 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, no joy. On some CDs, the number of tracks is right, but all of them start about 30secs in and then have the beginning 30 of the next song, etc. I think they all come from the shady and sinister CDDB.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

DUDES why has this thread gone MENTALIST and wierdly formatted?!?!?!

I want to know if I should get a TOWER or a PIZZA BOX STYLE er... box! What do people recommend eh?

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's not really a computer question, is it Sarah? I'd say go with one of those cute foldy things amazon sends CDs in.

Graham (graham), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

sarah, you know what I'm going to say to you, gat a mac.

However if you must be contrary and buy a pc, get a tower, you've got space for extra drives if you need them. You ought to be able to put a pc together from parts.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Stop saying that Ed. Or I will hex 10.3. And then you'll be sorry. Yes.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

A.3?

Anyway, he's just a heathen with a heretical email address.

Graham (graham), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am trying to rip CDs to MP3s and everything I try is either WAY too slow (it takes all day to rip an album) or it fails on the first track and just packs in or it does it nice and fast but there are horrible glitchy noises all the way through even though i ask it to rip on the best quality setting. Any suggestions?

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm sorry I'm Steve Jobs' John the Baptist/bitch.

Mac OS X all the benefits of Unix with a useable interface, good design and free entry into a club off insufferable slobs.

Dog latin, it sounds like something is up with your pc. Give us some specifications. That freerip that someone recommended somewhere up there seems pretty quick although it is adware and you should find version 1 (google found it just like that) as version 2 installs spyware.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's the insufferable snob bit that grates

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

FreeBSD doesn't run on very many machines - their goal is high performance and good hardware support for the x86 platform. They support a few others, but not as many as the other BSDs. NetBSD runs on the most platforms of any OS, and even that doesn't support the first RS/6000s (POWER (not PowerPC), and microchannel bus). No free OS choices for sun4d arch either (ss1000, ss2000).

Dave Fischer, Thursday, 17 April 2003 15:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

any help with this would be appreciated:

i've messed up the My Music shell folder. i tried to move it to another partition, but just dragged it over there, not using the right click "move here" thing - (i'm not sure whether things would have been ok had i done that or not) all the files are intact, it's just that i've lost the link to the folder in the start menu. i've tried doing it manually in the registry, but the path i enter always disappears. maybe there's another key i should be editing (i'm mainly looking at HKCU\software\microsoft\windows\current version\explorer\shell folders)

i've moved it back to C:\ with no luck. it takes about 45 mins to move the folder, so i can't practically just drag it all over the place to see what happens. i guess i should move the files out and then dink around with the folder.

anyways, ideas appreciated

ron (ron), Saturday, 19 April 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK, got it, nevermind - just kept adding keys til it worked

ron (ron), Saturday, 19 April 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Debian linux question.

I've just installed Debian linux on virtual PC so I can run pySLSK. Its all installed find

I've type in xinit it start up Xwindows. It gives the error:

Fatal server error:
no screens found

Its found the emulated graphics card fine but gives that error.

any ideas?

Ed (dali), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd also like to know how to set it up so I can telnet/ssh in and start up x programmes using x11. ( I can already telnet/ssh in I just can't get things to display on x11 just need to know how to set the display)

Ed (dali), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK I think I need to setup sshd aswell.

Ed (dali), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

bump

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Okay, here's my dumbest one yet, Ed. When I plug my PowerBook into the mains, it keeps giving off little electric shocks. Can I stop this?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is it when you join the power cable to the transformer, if so do the joining before you plug the plug in. Tell me more about these shocks. (keep this thread up till caitlin looks in).

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's usually when my Mac is already on, and running low - I just plug the cord into the back and then plug in. There's a magnetic charge coming off of the area either side of the trackpad, and I get shocks coming off of this and the edge of the computer. I'll try plugging in with it switched off.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

You should get that looked at. That doesn't sound good. It sounds like something is shorting to the case. That's not a good thing.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

i fixed sshd.

(This is now the thread where Ed updates about his adventures trying to get Debianlinux and pySOulseek working)

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ed, the X error on your virtual PC / Debian setup sounds like you don't have X configured properly. "No screens found" means that it doesn't have any monitors configured, I think.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

How do I configure that? When I try to start X it reconises the 'graphics card' but then gives the error I mentioned above.

Also is there a util that allows me to tell what ip address a DHCP server has assigned Debian?

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 14:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

NordicSkillz, are you on a PowerBook G4? Mine had that problem. I think they fixed it in later models, cos when mine had the motherboard replaced it went away. The only other thing to do is get one of the new earthed power supplies that comes with new PowerBooks. Other than that, it's a normal design flaw.

Graham (graham), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

There are programs called 'xf86config' and 'xf86cfg' that you can use to generate an X configuration file, but they're both pretty awful to use. The latter, in particular, can be handy for producing an example configuration file that you can then fiddle with manually.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

HELP I've just switched to WinXP and I hate how, in Explorer, if you have several windows/apps open, it stacks them under a single tab on the taskbar. I'd rather they all be flayed out horizontally, no matter how small, so I could open them with one click (rather than clicking on the stacked/meny tab and selecting from there). Thanks for any help.

Aaron A., Wednesday, 23 April 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

When you press "unlock" on the BIOS does it show you a system number?

If you try typing it in here, it may be able to generate your default/master BIOS password for you:
https://bios-pw.org/

(I recall doing this for a work Dell laptop at one point, though am not 100% sure it's the same website, but a few other sites seem to vouch for it. Good luck!)

scampus unrest (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 1 November 2020 23:31 (four years ago) link

By "does it show you a system number" I mean that the blurb in the password entry box may list a "system number" in approximately the same format as the Dell examples on that page.

(Seems to be the serial number which may be on a sticker on the underside of the laptop plus 4 extra hex digits, not sure where they come from.)

scampus unrest (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 1 November 2020 23:35 (four years ago) link

Woohoo!

That site delivered. Thanks so much. I did a little dance.

Changed the SATA mode and the BSOD went away.

Noel Emits, Monday, 2 November 2020 11:47 (four years ago) link

Glad you got in and even more glad the BSOD went away!

(Be careful because Win7 is end of life and won't be getting many security updates - but you probably already knew that..)

scampus unrest (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 2 November 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link

Yes.

That machine has actually never been online or connected to a network since I got it.

I started looking at the local free ads and see I can get plentiful desktop units that would be a step up in terms of CPU with Windows 10 installed for about £60-£100 so that's exciting.

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:05 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

dunno if anyone still has this thread bookmarked but I have a weird problem.

My lag on my desktop to bluetooth speakers is normally two or three seconds. That is annoying.

BUT when I play music from the amazon music player app there is no lag. In fact there is no lag for any other app as well- there's no bluetooth lag with any streaming app as long as I have the amazon music app playing. It's madness.

I've uninstalled the amazon app but the lag is still there. Updated the drivers etc.

Any advice?

just like Christopher Wray said (brownie), Sunday, 22 September 2024 14:35 (one month ago) link

Baffling. Maybe the Amazon app is a red herring? What’s the speaker?

Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 22 September 2024 15:53 (one month ago) link

yeah I think you're right - turns out the lag is only for Visual Studio. When I'm debugging in the VS environment the audio lags, badly. I'm working on a game using VS. After testing youtube, twitter etc again there is no bluetooth lag.

However the solution for the VS problem is the same - I have to play another audio source in order to get rid of the lag which is still strange.

just like Christopher Wray said (brownie), Monday, 23 September 2024 14:29 (one month ago) link


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