Is this anti-semitism?

This is really good:
http://chronicle.com/article/Anti-Judaism-as-a-Critical/136793/

― Mordy , Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:45 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thanks for this, it was a good read

i would probably have a stronger opinion on circumcision if it had happened when i was older :(

xp I'm getting his book through an interlibrary loan. It got really good reviews when it came out.

That comic is not anti-semitic imho. It's gory and in poor taste I think, but the cartoonist seems to be against circumcision not because Jews do it, but because he/she deems it an inhumane practice.

To me the cartoonist clearly takes offense to deeds justified by religion (any religion) that would normally appall people, but are allowed because they belong to a religious tradition.

There's been a huge debate about this in Holland, too (following the debate in Germany, end of last year). It was extraordinary to see Jews and Muslims for once join forces to oppose a ban. The ban fell through btw.

That comic is not anti-semitic imho

so you're cool with the blatantly anti-semitic stereotype on the cover eh

here we go

can we just agree there might be something a little um thoughtless about portraying an orthodox Jew with a pitchfork?

That comic is not anti-semitic imho.

are you f'in serious?

sometimes a pitchfork is just a pitchfork?

can understand why European cartoonists overlook anti-semitic imagery tho, we don't have a great tradition of it over here

yeah the only way i can imagine someone finding that not anti-semitic is if said someone is entirely ignorant of history of anti-semitism and its themes and iconography

lol europe

Is this anti-smegmatism?

I didn't see a Jewish stereotype. It's so badly drawn I can't see a Rabbi in the figure on the left. I don't see a "big crooked nose" which, here, is the main stereotype used. Sorry, just didn't see it.

Ah the pitchfork... yes, that should've been a giveaway...

i'd agree that it's v shakily composed -- took me a while to suss out that it was toes being cut off -- but dude come on

I take full responsibility for my ignorance.

i really don't understand how this cartoonist draws noses

I think even if you fully oppose circumcision it's pretty offensive to suggest that people are doing it to their own children out of some kind of evil bloodlust and enjoyment of suffering, which is what I get from that comic. Coupling that with them being Jewish is already enough to make it antisemitic imo.

Hurting otm, I see it now.

Didn't mean any disrespect.

I didn't see a Jewish stereotype. It's so badly drawn I can't see a Rabbi in the figure on the left. I don't see a "big crooked nose" which, here, is the main stereotype used. Sorry, just didn't see it.

― Random ASMR Memories (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:14 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know the whole jews-engage-in-baby-sacrifice thing right?

the cartoon is obviously anti-semitic but what's the significance of the pitchfork? googling "jews pitchfork" just gets me david berman

LOL

Pitchfork is a noted apparatus of the devil. Is that what this is?

you do know the jews run the world via pitchfork album reviews, right?

LBI, are you really not going to respond to the big post I wrote for you in rme thread?

you do know the jews run the world via pitchfork album reviews, right?

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:30 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hahaha

you know the whole jews-engage-in-baby-sacrifice thing right?

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:27 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, and I referred to that, that I thought the cartoonist wanted to express what he seems to think is inhumane. But it's not something only the Jews have been accused of. Same for muslims.

LBI, are you really not going to respond to the big post I wrote for you in rme thread?

― Mordy , Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:30 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I only just saw it, thank you, and yes, I will respond.

::headscratch::

xpost

Forget it, can't seem to get across what I mean.

just b/c muslims have been accused of similar doesn't mean the image isn't loaded in the context of european anti-semitism

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/134712/pinkwashing-sarah-schulman?all=1

But the most revealing of Schulman’s interactions was with Jayson Littman, a New York-based organizer of social events for gay Jewish men who has led gay-themed Birthright trips to Israel. Last spring, Littman sent a proposal titled “The Myth of Pinkwashing,” which, along the line of Jonathan Miller’s, explained that the Israeli government’s advertising its gay life is primarily about tourism dollars, not propaganda. Schulman sent him a similar response to the ones she fired off to the other three individuals described above. Littman’s dedication to connecting gay Jews with Zionism, however, appears to have made him a prominent target of Schulman’s florid campaign to portray any and all mention of gay life in Israel as part of a dark Israeli government-controlled conspiracy to oppress Palestinians.

In a November 2012 interview with the British lesbian magazine Diva, Schulman said that “the more I work in this arena, the more aware I become of the involvement of the Israeli government in the US LGBT community.” She named Littman, among others, as “Israeli government operatives … who work for the Foreign Ministry, whose job it is to work our community along pinkwashing lines.” Among their tasks, she said, are to “plant stories in newspapers, co-opt our events … and flood websites with propaganda.”

I think the best response to the "pinkwashing" canard is "Even if that's true, isn't it a good thing for countries to be more open to LGBT people, whatever the reason?" I mean, any country in the world is free to engage in "pinkwashing" and few seem to do so.

But no, I don't think there's anti-semitism at play here

Really?

wtf criticism of israel (even if it's paranoid and weird) is not necessarily anti-semitism

or is it all crypto-anti-semitism to you?

i think that the accusation that all Jews who are pro-Israel are shadow employees of the Israeli government is pretty anti-semitic and taps into all kinds of conspiratorial thinking about Jews

"the more I work in this arena, the more aware I become of the involvement of the Israeli government in the US LGBT community.”

they've been infiltrated!

http://i.imgur.com/M10CaVT.png

Mossad is pushing the Gay Agenda!?! I have to inform freerepublic.com about this...

i think that the accusation that all Jews who are pro-Israel are shadow employees of the Israeli government is pretty anti-semitic and taps into all kinds of conspiratorial thinking about Jews
― Mordy , Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:14 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, i guess that's true, wasn't thinking it through. similar logic to that used by the iranian government in their kangaroo trials of jewish-iranian "spies."

Mossad is pushing the Gay Agenda!?! I have to inform freerepublic.com about this...

― This Is My Design, and I Used Helvetica (Viceroy), Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:22 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or the various evangelical zionists. of course those guys must live with a ton of cognitive dissonance every day so this would probably just bounce off them.

well a lot of those evangelical zionists just want jews in the holy land so they can be beheaded on judgment day so i'm not sure they care about the gay agenda.

well a lot of those evangelical zionists just want jews in the holy land so they can be beheaded on judgment day so i'm not sure they care about the gay agenda.

― Gukbe

I think they care about both -- but which is more important, rebuilding the temple or stopping the ever growing tolerance for homosexuals? Dunno... like amateurist said I imagine Zionist Christian Conservatives have a hell of alot of cognitive dissonance for many different reasons and IMO a hatred/fear of Muslims is the only tenuous thread connecting their various beliefs.

well i think you need a fair amount of cognitive dissonance to be an evangelical and just *live*. I guess my point was that there is a certain section of evangelical zionists who don't give a shit about the welfare of Jewish people or what they do, just as long as they serve their purpose as foretold by their interpretation of the Bible.

Ah I see. I totally agree. They are some really creepy bastards -- I remember seeing a documentary (a TV one I think)? from a while back and this one guy one's a ranch where he raises only red heifers and attempts to breed one with the exact color described in the bible.

A lot of evangelicals believe that other protestant christians of different denominations are going to hell, so how much can they really care about a religion that doesn't consider Jesus the Son of God? At best there is a belief that "Israel is our ally" and they're going to help stop the invading muslim hordes, but it's all self-serving.

Hell, I was taught in elementary school that the rapture would come when there was peace in the middle east, so i actively prayed that there would not be peace so the rapture wouldn't happen. Bunch of nutjobs but, hey, religion ya know.