Flavorwire's 50 Incredibly Tough Books for Extreme Readers

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reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 18:56 (ten years ago) link

lol @ everybody itt pulling out their dicks all "oh, why i just breezed through gravity's rainbow"

flopson, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link

trainspotting is "hard" because it's written in irish slang language

flopson, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link

I was surprised to see Pet Sematary on here, but its inclusion resonates with me. I read it at 15 while I was on vacation, 2000 miles away from home and the little 3 year old sister I doted on. I ended up having an hour-long crying fit on the floor of my hotel room when I finished.

certified skeleton fucker (reddening), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 19:02 (ten years ago) link

most people who read in their spare time would consider infinite jest a hard book to read. for a reference point, my mother's favourite authors are tom robbins and john irving. her cowokers, who she occsasionaly shares books with, have never finished a book by either any time she's lent them one, because they found them too difficult

flopson, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 19:05 (ten years ago) link

for some reason to the lighthouse was really hard for me. the radical pov games i guess. i was very impressed.

i read 'the silmarillion' on an airplane last summer and i am reasonably sure i would've given it up as a bad job if i hadn't been stuck w/o anything else to read the dense fog of archaic wikipedia entries style was pretty fatiguing

Lamp, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link

reading that as a kid riding high off of having blasted through lotr was a real let-down

flopson, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 19:20 (ten years ago) link

i dunno if we should blame tolkien too much for the unreadability of the silmarillion -- it was assembled after his death, mostly from writings he didn't expect ever to be published.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 19:21 (ten years ago) link

House of Leaves isn't difficult or disturbing, unless you're driven to blind rage by words falling across multiple pages and shit.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link

my main difficulty w/ GR was the sudden shifts from character to character. i had a hard time keeping all the plot threads straight.

i found ulysses EASY because i read it side-by-side with this bad boy

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31FPWk2oUDL._BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

oh hey look! somebody put ulysses up with all of the annotations!

http://www.columbia.edu/~fms5/ulys.htm

the late great, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link

read this one side-by-side with finnegan's wake

http://www.amazon.com/Joyces-Book-Dark-Finnegans-Ingraham/dp/0299108244

^^ took two classes w/ this guy in college, he was a HOOT

the late great, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link

highly recommend both books

the late great, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 19:40 (ten years ago) link

ulysses is awesome if not the best thing ever. nothung! finnegans wake never seemed worth the effort but i never took a class on it or was taught how to appreciate it. the ones most people seem to have read are the silmarillion and gravity's rainbow. surprised there isn't more mention of tristram shandy, the sweetest novel ever published?

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link

Ulysses is the best thing ever yes

I'm surprised Nabokov's Ada isn't on the list. What a hot, gorgeous mess that one is.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link

my vote for my favorite of those listed was for tristam shandy.

Aimless, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 20:52 (ten years ago) link

Tristram Shandy has been on my reading list for too long now. Time to crack it open.

War and Peace is simply big. Only thing difficult about it is carrying it around.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link

^^ took two classes w/ this guy in college, he was a HOOT

Same here, but my biggest regret was not taking his JAJ seminar.

Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 21:57 (ten years ago) link

This thread is awesome.

I've only read 8 of the books, but "Sound and the Fury" is certainly my favorite of those. Pet Semetary is not a challenging read but it was chilling.

Deuteronomy 23:1 (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link

Also, I've never read Finnegan's Wake. Do I:

1. Fumble though it (fake it!) without warning or companions once, feel like a dumbass, then re-read with a companion book at my side?

or

2. Know going in that I'm fucked and just read it with a companion book at the get go?

Deuteronomy 23:1 (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 22:08 (ten years ago) link

3. get drunk and just read it out loud for the sounds

j., Wednesday, 6 November 2013 22:12 (ten years ago) link

anyone read this?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XFm17WPPL._SL500_SY300_.jpg

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 22:17 (ten years ago) link

if you read FW with a companion book you will get the advantage of some kind of thread leading you thru, but the disadvantage that that thread will be mostly bollocks - most of the companions i know of try to "decode" the book and that isn't the point in the end.

but on mature reflection i'd say yeah take a companion, it won't kill the book for you and it might sustain your interest long enough to develop your own strategies for reading it

. (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 22:26 (ten years ago) link

War and Peace is long but awesome and easily read. It is action-packed, at least in the War-sections. However, the last 200 pages or so are really boring. It might be the biggest masterpiece with the worst ending.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 22:35 (ten years ago) link

wd stress tho that anybody who hasn't read A Tale of a Tub shd read it pronto

. (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 22:37 (ten years ago) link

haha i like the final exam section of war and peace because it's like after a huge dinner u retire for cigars w tolstoy and he pontificates about history until he falls asleep

trainspotting is "hard" because it's written in irish slang language

― flopson, Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:00 PM (4 hours ago)

uh

Wendy Carlos Williams (jjjusten), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 23:26 (ten years ago) link

shitty listicle redeemed by that flopson post

Nilmar Jr (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 23:28 (ten years ago) link

Yeah solid lol but as for the other floppy posts surely the only dick-measuring is in the og article "if you read a hard book have a cookie" whereas every half smart post itt has been more wgaf if a book is hard or not

you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 23:58 (ten years ago) link

Btw I've never read gravitys rainbow, bet it's good tho

you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 23:59 (ten years ago) link

rectify asap, i'll read a book of your choosing

kaputtinabox (imago), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link

Btw I've never read gravitys rainbow, bet it's good tho

― you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins),

ohhhhh yeahhhhhhh. get the gravity's rainbow companion by weissenburger. read a chapter, then the companion notes on that chapter--after three or four chapters you will be in the flow and not really care if you're getting all the refs. Enjoy!

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:03 (ten years ago) link

don't get the companion and don't look anything up. just read the damn thing

kaputtinabox (imago), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:04 (ten years ago) link

well aren't you special! most people, including myself, were daunted by it when i tried over and over to get into it. It helped me immensely!

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:05 (ten years ago) link

which book are we talking about now

i found reading out loud helped a lot w/ GR, FW and ulysses

the late great, Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:06 (ten years ago) link

I'll rectify RIGHT NOW imago

you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:08 (ten years ago) link

this sucks

you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link

a sucking comes across the page

kaputtinabox (imago), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link

naphtha is that even a word I doubt it

you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:10 (ten years ago) link

haha i like the final exam section of war and peace because it's like after a huge dinner u retire for cigars w tolstoy and he pontificates about history until he falls asleep

― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), 7. november 2013 00:01 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I read it the summer before I started studying history, and all the 'history-writers don't know anything' was really deflating... Also, does the whole thing after the time-jump make any sense without some knowledge of the decembrist uprising? I had no idea what was going on, and it was definitely an 'aha' moment when I read an explanation of it.

Frederik B, Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:16 (ten years ago) link

Hah, does it have the weird printing hijinks around page ~270 in the Penguin edition?

Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:21 (ten years ago) link

i was kind of unprepared for how filthy GR was

CardiacsPrincesse69xxx (Matt P), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:36 (ten years ago) link

like there were a lot of cleveland steamers iirc

CardiacsPrincesse69xxx (Matt P), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:37 (ten years ago) link

pynchon's thing would appear to be keeping it relatively clean for 200 pages and then giving you polysexual omnideviant hell if GR and ATD are anything to go by

aw, only one steamer! and lots of shit = death pontification. and a toiletship

kaputtinabox (imago), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:38 (ten years ago) link

yeah i guess there was only one steamer scene.

aren't all the actual hard books by continental philosophers?

CardiacsPrincesse69xxx (Matt P), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:40 (ten years ago) link

sold!

*starts on p200*

you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:41 (ten years ago) link

(there were dirty bits in ATD much earlier iirc)

you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:42 (ten years ago) link

ATD is like a sexual Bolero, it starts clean but fucking hell 700 pages in

kaputtinabox (imago), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:43 (ten years ago) link

i enjoyed the use of poo humor in gr as it obviously resonates with me, but i wasn't expecting it for whatever reason. i think i read the crying of lot 49 first and that was less of a psychosexual funhouse.

xp ok i'm going to read ATD next

CardiacsPrincesse69xxx (Matt P), Thursday, 7 November 2013 00:45 (ten years ago) link


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