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blythe masters is such a great romance novel name

i had to stop reading that article, it was too depressing

Nhex, Friday, 14 February 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link

I know. And now the banks can just argue that the cat's out of the bag, and trying to unwind them from these businesses would pop the bubble, etc. Wow, that was Friedman-level mixed metaphoring. But you know what I mean.

schwantz, Friday, 14 February 2014 19:37 (ten years ago) link

yeah this was hard to read

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 14 February 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link

I kind of want to read something on the subject that isn't by Matt Taibbi.

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 February 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link

There was a big thing on alphaville re: it

just sayin, Friday, 14 February 2014 19:53 (ten years ago) link

link?

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 February 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link

the thing discussing the taibbi article is on the main page, but you need to register. It was kind of stupid I thought. "Blah blah free markets blah"

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 February 2014 20:43 (ten years ago) link

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/02/14/1771522/information-asymmetry-bad-incentives-and-taibbi/

Yeah, chock full of free markets happy-talk, while conveniently ignoring the amount of governmental bailouts, etc. that Goldman has received.

schwantz, Friday, 14 February 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link

It reads like some kind of pro forma response that could be about any corporate or financial scandal. It barely even addresses the actual issues here other than to say "Well it's not ILLEGAL." Duh shit.

I also find it weird how free market dogma harps so much on "information" -- everything is based on this concept that the markets themselves should be "free" but everyone should have enough "information" to make rational choices. I never understood why there's this splitting off of "information" from the rest of the market -- if they really believe in free markets, why have the government even intervene in the information side of the equation? Why not let dominant players use their competitive edges in information too?

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 February 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link

the Informed Rational Actor is so fundamental to the whole idea, it's the faith in homo economicus that makes the whole beautiful machine possible, etc.; information has to be a sacrament cuz otherwise it looks like people trying to dominate each other; the free market's most natural mode of communication is advertising, an attempt at control (openly) disguised as a source of information; you know it's a mask but you can't take it off; whatever sorry idk

yeah you're absolutely right about the Informed Rational Actor theory, but it just strikes me that there's this weird fiction/mental contortion free marketers go through where it's ok to intervene in "information" as though "information" were somehow separate from "markets."

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 February 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link

Like if you really believe in free markets, why even require SEC filings?

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 February 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link

zizek says the keystone of an ideology is whatever its irreconcilable self-contradiction is; where's treeship

"weird fiction/mental contortion" otm

plus the free market is deistic! It doesn't judge the rich and poor -- it allows both to operate on equal terms. If you screw up, it's your fault!

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2014 21:25 (ten years ago) link

the paradox is like the tension where capitalism colonized enlightenment values

Mordy , Friday, 14 February 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link

lool at alphaville attributing taibbi's success to the "vampire squid" joke, when that just became a shorthand for the whopper of an article it happened to be the lede for.

eric banana (s.clover), Saturday, 15 February 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link

otoh even though it makes my head spin, alphaville is one of the only blogs that covers the oddities of the commodity markets in any detail (commodities are fuckin weird) and i think they have a good case that it wasn't actually banks delaying shipments to drive up prices. instead, the problem was that people were willing to pay more for goods delivered later than goods delivered now (contango). in general, the reason for this was the vast influx of speculative cash into commodities funds.

so roughly put, you have people (not banks typically, in fact, though banks might assemble these funds as they do mutual funds, etc) investing in silver or corn or whatever as they would stocks -- you have a fund of futures, and when the futures come to term you roll that over into more futures. that creates contango, because the demand isn't driven for taking delivery on the good, its driven by holding the future for the good. this speculative cash fucks up the commodities market for people who actually want silver or corn or whatever now, at this moment, for some use.

so its the insane market prices driving the warehousing, not manipulating warehousing to create insane market prices.

i sort of buy this explanation.

eric banana (s.clover), Saturday, 15 February 2014 15:03 (ten years ago) link

but on the other other hand i don't think anyone really understands the commodities markets lately, they're just continually weird.

eric banana (s.clover), Saturday, 15 February 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link

Like if you really believe in free markets, why even require SEC filings?

― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, February 14, 2014 4:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh believe me, well over a dedade later there are lots of players who would like to see RegFD repealed.

Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Saturday, 15 February 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link

so roughly put, you have people (not banks typically, in fact, though banks might assemble these funds as they do mutual funds, etc) investing in silver or corn or whatever as they would stocks -- you have a fund of futures, and when the futures come to term you roll that over into more futures. that creates contango, because the demand isn't driven for taking delivery on the good, its driven by holding the future for the good. this speculative cash fucks up the commodities market for people who actually want silver or corn or whatever now, at this moment, for some use.

chapter describing this phenomenon was the most interesting part to me of that taibbi book griftopia and yeah i was expecting a lil more of a recap of it here.

yeah that part of the book was eye opening for me too

k3vin k., Saturday, 15 February 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link

Oh believe me, well over a dedade later there are lots of players who would like to see RegFD repealed.

― Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:52 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

You mean the 33/34 acts?

The arguments for getting rid of mandatory disclosure are pretty lol

"Investors will simply choose not to invest in companies that don't disclose key information"

Yeah buddy

, Sunday, 16 February 2014 03:29 (ten years ago) link

idgi, i think rs will always be a perfect + the best venue for him but whatever. good get for greenwald.

Mordy , Friday, 21 February 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

has he been publishing anything lately? i haven't been sent (or found) anything by him for a long while...

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link

He was poached to start Racket but it looks like he has either been fired or quit before it launched. There has been a growing level of unease around Omidyar's influence in some circles.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XEmsLlgrZY

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:30 (nine years ago) link

Boo.

schwantz, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link

Although it falls fairly squarely in the 'who cares?' box, this has sparked another fairly ugly spat between Intercept and Pando - with Paul Carr publishing his half of an off-the-record e-mail conversation with Taibbi.

The underlying concern is that left-leaning outlets like Vice, Intercept and the hypothetical Racket are being used as a libertarian trojan horse by oligarchs like Omidyar and Murdoch to hold governments to account but stifle coverage of corporate wrongdoing.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 08:25 (nine years ago) link

yikes!

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 16:15 (nine years ago) link

the whole exiled/pando vs intercept/greenwald thing is so tedious

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link

yeah i have a hard time keeping any of that shit straight even

caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:23 (nine years ago) link

can someone explain it all via a math equation?

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:26 (nine years ago) link

internet old/hard left types really hate molly crabapple too

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/527456203224649729

caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link

i mean, i'm not the biggest fan of her art but you know hmmmmmmm

caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link

since when is vice left leaning? Also this CIA conspiracy theory is psychotic

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link

it's really not

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link

I mean I don't know the details but it's not exactly without precedent for the CIA to fund or have clandestine relationships with major media outlets

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link

But yeah as far as "left-leaning" I thought only in the libertarian sense. Socially liberal, against unfree govts or whatever, not a shred of the socialist kind of leftism.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link

isn't it much much much much more likely that vice is an 'apologist for colonial power' (if it is, whatever) bc of its long known politics and not bc the CIA recruited - of all media outlets - VICE MAGAZINE to spread their propaganda. and to who exactly? brooklyn hipsters?? what a waste of money if true!

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link

also i don't know if you read that full link but i just got up to the point where the author accuses the US of literally (and presumably intentionally, I'm not going to bother reading the Counterpunch lol link it uses as evidence for this claim) arming and financing IS.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link

The CIA has money to waste. As pointed out, they have a long history of insinuating themselves into the media, including directly funding media outlets, co-opting individual reporters, and planting information and disinformation. They get around.

oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link

No, describing Vice as left-leaning was clearly incorrect but there is a sense that a substantial part of the young, politically-aware audience that trusts its news coverage probably skews more to the left than a standard news audience.

For better or for worse Omidyar has documented links to USAID and foreign policy concerns so it's understandable there is reticence about him bankrolling major oppositional news sites, even if it does contradict the narrative that he's using it as a way to limit coverage of corporate wrongdoing and stick it to the state.

Also plenty of allegations flying around that prominent left-leaning journalists have ties to Koch funding, etc. A lot of it seems overblown. I like Ames, Carr is insufferable. The caution about the super rich setting the new media news agenda as well as the old media news agenda seems legit.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link

i heard the CIA was funding Game Informer and Polygon

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link

I didn't read the Counterpunch link and I rarely put much stock in Counterpunch articles. But Vice isn't some little hipster corner of the indie bookstore's magazine rack anymore, it's huge business.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link

i know they have an HBO show and they do some good foreign affairs footage as of late imo, but what is the huge business? this is probably just not my world of young ppl i'm imagining bc they seem like smaller than buzzfeed to me.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link

boo!

however i have faith that ghost rider can still deliver

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link


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