Matt Taibbi

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the paradox is like the tension where capitalism colonized enlightenment values

Mordy , Friday, 14 February 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link

lool at alphaville attributing taibbi's success to the "vampire squid" joke, when that just became a shorthand for the whopper of an article it happened to be the lede for.

eric banana (s.clover), Saturday, 15 February 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link

otoh even though it makes my head spin, alphaville is one of the only blogs that covers the oddities of the commodity markets in any detail (commodities are fuckin weird) and i think they have a good case that it wasn't actually banks delaying shipments to drive up prices. instead, the problem was that people were willing to pay more for goods delivered later than goods delivered now (contango). in general, the reason for this was the vast influx of speculative cash into commodities funds.

so roughly put, you have people (not banks typically, in fact, though banks might assemble these funds as they do mutual funds, etc) investing in silver or corn or whatever as they would stocks -- you have a fund of futures, and when the futures come to term you roll that over into more futures. that creates contango, because the demand isn't driven for taking delivery on the good, its driven by holding the future for the good. this speculative cash fucks up the commodities market for people who actually want silver or corn or whatever now, at this moment, for some use.

so its the insane market prices driving the warehousing, not manipulating warehousing to create insane market prices.

i sort of buy this explanation.

eric banana (s.clover), Saturday, 15 February 2014 15:03 (ten years ago) link

but on the other other hand i don't think anyone really understands the commodities markets lately, they're just continually weird.

eric banana (s.clover), Saturday, 15 February 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link

Like if you really believe in free markets, why even require SEC filings?

― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, February 14, 2014 4:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh believe me, well over a dedade later there are lots of players who would like to see RegFD repealed.

Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Saturday, 15 February 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link

so roughly put, you have people (not banks typically, in fact, though banks might assemble these funds as they do mutual funds, etc) investing in silver or corn or whatever as they would stocks -- you have a fund of futures, and when the futures come to term you roll that over into more futures. that creates contango, because the demand isn't driven for taking delivery on the good, its driven by holding the future for the good. this speculative cash fucks up the commodities market for people who actually want silver or corn or whatever now, at this moment, for some use.

chapter describing this phenomenon was the most interesting part to me of that taibbi book griftopia and yeah i was expecting a lil more of a recap of it here.

yeah that part of the book was eye opening for me too

k3vin k., Saturday, 15 February 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link

Oh believe me, well over a dedade later there are lots of players who would like to see RegFD repealed.

― Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:52 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

You mean the 33/34 acts?

The arguments for getting rid of mandatory disclosure are pretty lol

"Investors will simply choose not to invest in companies that don't disclose key information"

Yeah buddy

, Sunday, 16 February 2014 03:29 (ten years ago) link

idgi, i think rs will always be a perfect + the best venue for him but whatever. good get for greenwald.

Mordy , Friday, 21 February 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

has he been publishing anything lately? i haven't been sent (or found) anything by him for a long while...

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:15 (ten years ago) link

He was poached to start Racket but it looks like he has either been fired or quit before it launched. There has been a growing level of unease around Omidyar's influence in some circles.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:22 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XEmsLlgrZY

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:30 (ten years ago) link

Boo.

schwantz, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link

Although it falls fairly squarely in the 'who cares?' box, this has sparked another fairly ugly spat between Intercept and Pando - with Paul Carr publishing his half of an off-the-record e-mail conversation with Taibbi.

The underlying concern is that left-leaning outlets like Vice, Intercept and the hypothetical Racket are being used as a libertarian trojan horse by oligarchs like Omidyar and Murdoch to hold governments to account but stifle coverage of corporate wrongdoing.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 08:25 (ten years ago) link

yikes!

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link

the whole exiled/pando vs intercept/greenwald thing is so tedious

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link

yeah i have a hard time keeping any of that shit straight even

caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link

can someone explain it all via a math equation?

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link

internet old/hard left types really hate molly crabapple too

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/527456203224649729

caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link

i mean, i'm not the biggest fan of her art but you know hmmmmmmm

caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link

since when is vice left leaning? Also this CIA conspiracy theory is psychotic

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link

it's really not

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link

I mean I don't know the details but it's not exactly without precedent for the CIA to fund or have clandestine relationships with major media outlets

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link

But yeah as far as "left-leaning" I thought only in the libertarian sense. Socially liberal, against unfree govts or whatever, not a shred of the socialist kind of leftism.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link

isn't it much much much much more likely that vice is an 'apologist for colonial power' (if it is, whatever) bc of its long known politics and not bc the CIA recruited - of all media outlets - VICE MAGAZINE to spread their propaganda. and to who exactly? brooklyn hipsters?? what a waste of money if true!

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:24 (ten years ago) link

also i don't know if you read that full link but i just got up to the point where the author accuses the US of literally (and presumably intentionally, I'm not going to bother reading the Counterpunch lol link it uses as evidence for this claim) arming and financing IS.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link

The CIA has money to waste. As pointed out, they have a long history of insinuating themselves into the media, including directly funding media outlets, co-opting individual reporters, and planting information and disinformation. They get around.

oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link

No, describing Vice as left-leaning was clearly incorrect but there is a sense that a substantial part of the young, politically-aware audience that trusts its news coverage probably skews more to the left than a standard news audience.

For better or for worse Omidyar has documented links to USAID and foreign policy concerns so it's understandable there is reticence about him bankrolling major oppositional news sites, even if it does contradict the narrative that he's using it as a way to limit coverage of corporate wrongdoing and stick it to the state.

Also plenty of allegations flying around that prominent left-leaning journalists have ties to Koch funding, etc. A lot of it seems overblown. I like Ames, Carr is insufferable. The caution about the super rich setting the new media news agenda as well as the old media news agenda seems legit.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link

i heard the CIA was funding Game Informer and Polygon

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link

I didn't read the Counterpunch link and I rarely put much stock in Counterpunch articles. But Vice isn't some little hipster corner of the indie bookstore's magazine rack anymore, it's huge business.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:41 (ten years ago) link

i know they have an HBO show and they do some good foreign affairs footage as of late imo, but what is the huge business? this is probably just not my world of young ppl i'm imagining bc they seem like smaller than buzzfeed to me.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link

boo!

however i have faith that ghost rider can still deliver

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link

and srsly doubt that he would be involved if racket was some kind of rightwing trojan horse, come on now

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link

i know they have an HBO show and they do some good foreign affairs footage as of late imo, but what is the huge business? this is probably just not my world of young ppl i'm imagining bc they seem like smaller than buzzfeed to me.

― Mordy, Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:43 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's valued at like $2.5 billion and they may do an IPO soon. They're supposed to break $500 million in revenue this year. Rupert Murdoch owns a stake.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, I'd assume that if the CIA was in the business of influencing news outlets, Vice would be fairly high on the list for the same reason that Murdoch sank $70m into it. Even if it doesn't make any financial sense (and it may not) it's the kind of thing that people think is important in the post-print media landscape, etc.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link

But all actions we might consider “imperial” are not equal, as Bady argued. When Gadhafi invests in infrastructure in Chad — even though it seems like a dick move to have it bear his name — it is still an anti-imperialist action. When Chávez funds political movements in Bolivia — even though they serve to reinforce his influence on the continent — this is still anti-imperialist action. This is because all of this is done in the face of the biggest imperial force: The West, The Empire. Washington and its closest, most murderous allies such as the UK and France are omnipresent, their roots snaking through the soils and breaking the pavements of almost literally every single country on the face of the earth. The kind of left that equates Russian state funding of RT America with Soros funding of “civil society” organizations in Georgia is not serious about even talking in opposition to the ideology that allows the West to remain astride the world’s peoples.

i admit there was a time in my life that this paragraph would've gotten me really hot

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link

pando is worthless and i occasionally thought nsfwcorp would be less than worthless but it always disappoints

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Thursday, 30 October 2014 03:53 (ten years ago) link

ames has written some first-rate stuff about the history of the nsa and john dolan is consistently great. but i kinda gave up checking back on that site more than once a month because of their obsession with discrediting greenwald and co. feels like a microcosm of the condition of the u.s. left -- two factions who basically agree with each other on almost everything but can't stand each other for reasons so convoluted even regular readers can't understand them. would still take either pando or intercept over counterpunch, which has totally gone off the rails, seems like half the ppl writing for them are militia-nut libertarians.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link

& pando has Thiel money, is that right? So their position is… 'we take libertarian billionaire money but we're upfront about it, and we're critical of our billionaire sometimes?'

woof, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link

counterpunch still has the most journos i can trust.

ames just seems to overpromise his stunning revelations and rarely pays off, so now i don't feel he's worth the effort.

pando is hardly 'left' in any sense. its a silicon-valley libertarian-leaning insular trade-mag for the startup scene. basically a next gen wall st journal for the sf tech scene.

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link

That Silicon Valley strain of young plutocrats is gonna become its own mini Koch propaganda industry.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link

Pando hasn't taken any money from Thiel in a while and have said there was always a clear understanding that investment could not buy editorial influence, though they have come down hard on people with more tangential links to billionaires than that.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:05 (ten years ago) link

^^ what a mess

Amory Blaine, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link

Yep. It was pretty much sold as a hands-off project for Omidyar at the start but spending a quarter of a billion dollars to let Matt Taibbi write what he wanted never exactly added up.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link

I applaud the Intercepts transparency about all this, but do wonder if Omidyar won't just pull the plug soon because of all this.

I don't know a lot about the man, but seeing to taxi receipts etc when you injected $ 250 million into a new media company... I don't know. Is he that bored?

Amory Blaine, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link

who would have guessed that taibbi would be hard to work for, total shock

polyphonic, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link

Here's a relevant blast from the past:

http://observer.com/2000/06/from-russia-with-lust/

polyphonic, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link


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