Is this anti-semitism?

considering the findings of the study maybe the ADL (and Foxman) have legitimate reasons to be so on guard about anti-semitism.

only 57% of eastern europe believes the holocaust has been accurately described by history

lol, ok eastern europe

there is much reason to be on guard about anti-semitism, unfortunately the ADL are horrible people who appear to believe that any criticism of whatever regime is in power in israel constitutes unquestioned anti-seminism and get a lot of rhetorical mileage out of blurring these distinctions.

foxman is a complete asshole.

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only 57℅ of eastern europe believes the holocaust has been accurately described by history

Accepting the results at face value, it would be interesting to see this figure compared to the number of people in the region who think the number of Jewish deaths is greatly exaggerated, which seems to have been a separate question.

I also just wonder about some of these survey questions if they don't lead people who have barely given the issue a second thought in their lives to state a conclusion

this is such a bummer. my brother was just in brussels last week visiting his in-laws and i planned to go in the next year for a beer tour :/ oh belgium.

think we can fairly safely say 'yes' in this case tbh

have we talking about FN + ms le pen winning today anywhere? apparently 2 jews were attacked in paris today. bet both of these things speed along the french-jewish emigration

oh god le pen is still fucken at it

more popular than ever it seems

Lately in europe it seems like ww2 never happened

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/02/world/europe/suspect-arrested-in-jewish-museum-killings-in-belgium.html

Oldman continued. "I don’t blame him. So they persecute. Mel Gibson is in a town that’s run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he’s actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him—and doesn’t need to feed him anymore because he’s got enough dough. He’s like an outcast, a leper, you know? But some Jewish guy in his office somewhere hasn’t turned and said, 'That f--king kraut' or 'F--k those Germans,' whatever it is?

yes because a Jew disparaging Germans is totally analogous to a Catholic disparaging Jews, yup, totally the same thing.

Man, remember when the Jews murdered all those Germans and Catholics, that was just awful.

I have never in my entire life heard a Jewish guy say "that fucking kraut" fwiw.

"imagine all the people racist like me"

I'm pretty sure I have made some disparaging remarks about Germans while watching something on TV about Nazis

"kraut" is something only WWII vets say ime

PLAYBOY: Who speaks the truth in this culture, in your opinion?

OLDMAN: There are a number of people. A voice I particularly like is Charles Kraut-hammer

Gary loves his krauts though!

ugh I can let some clueless racism slide now and then but being into the Childcatcher is beyond the pale

the 'that's not analogous!' line, idk. not that it seems to apply here tbh.

do tell

the worst anti-german sentiments i've heard (and tbh, expressed) in the jewish community use metonymy to link all germans to nazism. so when someone (like my brother) buys a VW, someone might teasingly say, "i can't believe you drive a Nazi car." tbf, VW worked w/ the Nazis and thus such a joke might not be mocking all germans but the specific company. still, i don't know any jews who ever hate germans vis-a-vis the german ppl themselves, only regarding the holocaust. esp since in 2014 jews actually have a fairly close relationship w/ germany bc of things like a) huge jewish immigration from former soviet states to berlin, b) reparations and close relationship between israel + germany today, c) very severe laws against anti-semitism in modern germany.

someone might teasingly say, "i can't believe you drive a Nazi car."

lol yes. full confession I did makes this exact joke recently when a Jewish buddy bought a Mercedes

I know Jews who will not travel to/through Germany, not out of fear, but as a kind of pointless statement.

iirc our own mordy has said he would never travel in eastern europe

seems v different from uttering slurs though

and tbf there's a lot of emerging antisemitism in Eastern Europe these days.

yes, i've said i would not travel in eastern europe - partially bc of anger and partially bc i think it's an unnecessary risk (and i'm not sure i'd feel comfortable not wearing a yarmulke just to avoid pissing off anti-semites). ironically tho re this conversation germany is much more likely that i'd visit bc of all the progress they've made (and also bc i'd like to drink berliner weisses), and i'd be much more likely in 2014 to visit berlin than paris.

Man, remember when the Jews murdered all those Germans and Catholics, that was just awful.

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kidding! kidding, totally kidding

it's probably safer to be a jew in berlin than in many parts of america

marx was pretty much the definition of a self-hating jew

http://www.businessinsider.com/jewish-businesses-in-paris-are-being-looted-and-destroyed-by-protesters-over-israel-gaza-offensive-2014-7

Knew that would happen the moment the police canceled all pro-palestinian demonstration across Paris.

"We have never seen such an outpouring of hatred and violence in Sarcelles," said the mayor Francois Pupponi

Says the mayor of one of the most famously violent neighborhood in France, where ethnic clashes between blacks, arabs and jews happen since the 60s.

Presumably there's a group of the Israeli population (I don't know how many in terms of numbers or how representative they are) who are all for the attacks on gaza including on civilians. At the least, some military commander somewhere in the IDF has to give the order to bomb the hospital or the beach, etc. I wonder if those people are aware of the repercussions that will happen against Jewish people in other parts of the world. Are they? Should they be? What about that?

are you serious

quality trolling

Wow, now I don't know what's more messed up: "Anti-semitic thugs in France trapped Jews inside a synagogue and burned down a kosher grocery store, see how everyone who cares about civilians in Gaza is an anti-semitic thug so we should ignore them?" or "It was essentially the IDF who burned down that grocery store and trapped those Jews, nice ethnic group you've got there, shame if something should happen to it"

Yeah, Israel should be very careful about its public image, otherwise all the Jew-haters might have a good excuse.

idk, ppl said that after 9/11 right

I personally feel much more at ease with everyone keeping their virulent anti-Semitism to themselves. Sleep better that way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07/22/calgary-pro-palestinian-rally-violence_n_5610418.html

this violence is the consequence of the hysterical rhetoric coming out of the pro-palestinian movement. it's like the pro-life ppl - ramp ppl up enough w/ talk of "genocide" and "slaughter" and "concentration camps" and "ethnic cleansing" and "the murder of innocent children" and you create a climate of vigilantism and rage.

i can't even keep track of all the antisemitic incidents coming out. rioting against jewish owned stores in belgium, france, broken synagogue windows in belfast, the imam at berlin's al-nur mosque called for jews to be killed -- it's pretty sick. and i feel pretty fortunate to be living on the east coast in the US.

eerily reminiscent of the hysterical rhetoric from right-wing Israelis, which - how odd, how unpredictable - also results in even more violence. it all sounds the same after awhile.

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"the murder of innocent children"

nice scare quotes bro

i don't see other conflicts where children die during war are described this way. it's presented in the most emotionally manipulative, rhetorically incendiary way possible to enrage ppl's emotions. i have no doubt that ppl of all political persuasions do that but atm there aren't riots breaking out all over the world directed at muslims.

"murdering innocent children" is related to what howard jacobson writes about "are you against the slaughter in gaza" - the language pre-frames the conclusion. what are you supposed to say? "no, i'm in favor of the slaughter." it's very manipulative language.

this is what happens when you let a government become central to a religious identity

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call me crazy but i think ppl should be upset when children die in military strikes on homes and hospitals