Real England

just saying that as the bar for problem drinker is somewhat higher in the british isles than most of the rest of the world, lads&lasses on tour are v mundane (hence real). anyone who is up for cheerfully disgracing themselves & enabling others to do the same can get involved, the resulting stories to be used as fuel for future sessions

thread idea?

I know of no other culture in which so much bonding takes place through vomiting

but idk bruce parry is always throwing up, mb I need to rethink this

there are surprising resonances between homosocial english working class bonding and parent-young bonding in ciconiiformes.

is that a Madonna reference

Class is involved in binge-drinking in all kinds of difficult ways

My impression is: back in 00-03, when I was a teenager (prob giving away too much about myself) in the north of england, the very poor, very hard kids in tracksuits and hoods (about 90% of my school peers) were binge-drinking when they got together, but this demog now seem to have moved overwhelmingly on to weed, from what I can see.

My peers' binge-drinking was a sort of knowing underage mimicry of the IBIZA and AGIA NAPA portrayed in aspirational tv shows, music vids and adverts ... I guess in the recession, GOING TO IBIZA as a theme might have got too expensive for this demog, and also smoking weed is gonna be cheaper than buying the equivalent amount of booze it takes to get the same reaction?

This impression is strengthened by the time a couple of months ago when I found myself obliged by the government to pick up some litter as part of a group. Most of the folks I was with had done time, they were the poorest rung of the ladder, and they very much dismissed city-centre binge-drinking as something for twats who work in offices, basically (they didn't use the word) 'squares'.

Certainly in my city, the vast majority of city centre binge drinkers are either students or young professionals who live in flats in the city centre or in the suburbs. However much money they do in fact have, though, and whether or not they are at a university or have been to one, there's a stark difference between ppl who are culturally lower-middle-class and ppl who are culturally middle class ... they coexist but hardly interact or notice each other.

This divide, despite the enforced casualisation of everything: one lot always wear polished shoes, smart jeans and a button up shirt, the other lot always have some kind of wiffly haircut, tight jeans and converse, and these outfits seem like class uniforms proper, these days.

I'm always struck by the lower-middle-class male LAD type's constant attempts at aggression - the way they occupy a space with their bodies and voices, their idealisation of the Warrior archetype, even be it through layers and layers of irony and Lynx adverts and sports tv, still there ... – particularly because my city has its fair share of people who actually do live by violence, who weave in between the crowds of LADS, with hoods up and a dog on a leash, not stopping, somewhere to be. The LADS don't seem to notice or really have very much self awareness. Now one of them's squaring up to his mate and his other mate's saying 'Woah, woah, lads, respect, respect', but that fight won't ever come to a bottle in the head down a back alley, only a bust nose on the high street

The culturally middle class types I mentioned have their own defining trait, which is, I'm pretty sure, to go out to a city centre where everyone has gone to get pissed, to go to a nightclub, get pissed and take drugs, with 100s of others like yrselves, but pretend you're not into it; seems like a thread that's run right through from the days of skaters and nu metal 00-03, thru high-end landfill indie'n'electro days 2008-2012, thru to today's ... BBC6 types for want of a better word

I'm trying to guess whether this is Leeds or Nottingham.

I think cardamon is talking about mcr. everyone seems to have v individual takes on class distinctions now, makes it tricky to discuss

Think it's pretty well established that right across the UK, regardless of class, males who continually address their conversational partners as "Lads! Lads!" are almost perilously insecure in their masculinity.

depends tho on yr definition of binge drinking

I just spent far too long trying to work out what My Chemical Romance had to do with Real England, ogmor.

haha, did you come up with anything?

Well, it did make me remember the time I passed a gang of teen girls proudly affirming to each other that "we're the Black Parade, motherfuckers". They were pretty cool. I think there's wiggle room here.

ofc, what could be more english than the figureheads of the self-harming emo cult leading our youth astray?

http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b527/nutzweiler/SAM_0726_zps90f6f088.jpg
http://rs1290.pbsrc.com/albums/b527/nutzweiler/SAM_0729_zps2d03a1bd.jpg~c100

http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b527/nutzweiler/SAM_0729_zps2d03a1bd.jpg

so many fonts

http://i.imgur.com/FAOUYdf.jpg

^the best and worst of real england in one article

c class is not an executive saloon
at least when i was between 8/9 and used to buy every football and car magazine every week 'executive saloon' referred to e class, 5 series, ls400 etc

In the London Police Act 1839, "fighting or baiting Lions, Bears, Badgers, Cocks, Dogs, or other Animals" was prohibited in London, with a penalty of up to one month imprisonment, with possible hard labour, or up to five pounds. The law laid numerous restrictions on how, when, and where animals could be driven, wagons unloaded, etc.. It also prohibited owners from letting mad dogs run loose and gave police the right to destroy any dog suspected of being rabid or any dog bitten by a suspected rabid dog. The same law prohibited the use of dogs for drawing carts.[65]

what if it was a very small cart

http://i.imgur.com/LfuYX9c.jpg

http://archive.instituteartistmanagement.com/offer/thumb.php/00045838.jpg

https://38.media.tumblr.com/b68befb55a2bb2c8feb9aa8429e0665a/tumblr_ncqjamibME1sy67obo1_500.jpg
https://33.media.tumblr.com/bdda229a7f2e477a4921d605d3bf0a69/tumblr_ncqjamibME1sy67obo7_r1_500.jpg
https://38.media.tumblr.com/63668e4734c077cce9bd90a2a35a23e7/tumblr_ncqjamibME1sy67obo6_500.jpg

no

ban

unless there's an element of metacommentary wherein 'real england' is itself a reaching for fictive 'real england' that falls woefully short, in which case the photos qualify but the tableaux do not

the acts of photography, even

https://33.media.tumblr.com/7d5ca41e66b74da919523fd7532835ff/tumblr_ncqjamibME1sy67obo2_500.jpg
https://31.media.tumblr.com/389c9cc416cf76745e72a6e16afb5bcc/tumblr_ncqjamibME1sy67obo3_500.jpg
https://33.media.tumblr.com/881a3e0d7f86b7745ee7d58109b37f4d/tumblr_ncqjamibME1sy67obo5_500.jpg
https://38.media.tumblr.com/a7f429c2dc682123f5c57cbcc73f59a9/tumblr_ncqjamibME1sy67obo4_500.jpg

From here: http://www.instituteartist.com/project-Shoreditch-Wildlife-Dougie-Wallace

dougie wallace should be handed a box of painkillers and shiv and escorted into a dark room

Whatever happened to baby Richard Billingham?

shoreditch wildlife

is some superior cunt skulking around shoreditch with a camera real england? might well be

I don't know if this is real england, I like this picture, though

http://fields.eca.ac.uk/gis/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ne-11.jpg

(from this website: http://fields.eca.ac.uk/gis/)

theyre not superior, contempt might lend them some prurient intrigue, they arent even that

same for the fuckboy with those blackpool fotos the other month

so random

http://payload312.cargocollective.com/1/7/241864/8540961/bones-shoreditch-exhibition-new_1200.jpg

blackpool one had its moments but in general this sort of thing shd be discouraged

the esthetic bankruptcy of thinking this stuff is remotely interesting, oh look an old person in a fluorescent tracksuit eating some shit food totes random me thinks

well yeah. the blackpool one at least had some cute tonal juxtapositions & content. basing anything like this in shoreditch is end-of-days shit

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Godshill_Model_Village_-_geograph.org.uk_-_757993.jpg

:D back on track

seems like your threshold for 'cute tonal juxtapositions & content' is even lower than your threshold for 'deconstructive' when applied to para-pop music

theyre all dreadfully processed too

http://www.creativereview.co.uk/images/uploads/2010/07/p6158bwaterportraitsdou_0.jpg