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So how worried should we be now, anyway.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/25/us-heath-ebola-nigeria-idUSKBN0FU1LE20140725

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 27 July 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link

Fanning flames, paranoia: http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/New-fears-about-Ebola-spread-after-plane-scare-5651721.php

DAKAR, Senegal (AP) — No one knows for sure just how many people Patrick Sawyer came into contact with the day he boarded a flight in Liberia, had a stopover in Ghana, changed planes in Togo, and then arrived in Nigeria, where authorities say he died days later from Ebola, one of the deadliest diseases known to man.

Now health workers are scrambling to trace those who may have been exposed to Sawyer across West Africa, including flight attendants and fellow passengers.

Health experts say it is unlikely he could have infected others with the virus that can cause victims to bleed from the eyes, mouth and ears. Still, unsettling questions remain: How could a man whose sister recently died from Ebola manage to board a plane leaving the country? And worse: Could Ebola become the latest disease to be spread by international air travel?

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 28 July 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/ebola-virus-top-sierra-leone-doctor-shek-umar-dies-of-disease-9636406.html

Sierra Leone's top virologist has died in the current outbreak.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link

This is terrible, reports of hospitals shutting their doors, infected rotting corpses in the streets and ebola nurses downing tools after not getting paid measly $30 a week risk money pledged by the Sierra Leone gvt. Conditions described as "medieval" in parts where the health system has totally collapsed.

xelab, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link

i heard a woman talking on the radio about it the other day and she was not holding back about how grim it was -- she was a reporter but i don't remember her name
she used the same analogy, like it was medieval in terms of what people believe about medicine as well as the degree to which people receive/shun medical care when they need it

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Monday, 4 August 2014 22:54 (ten years ago) link

Little did we know all the right wing survivalists had the right idea for the wrong reason. It's not Obama they should fear, but ebola.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 August 2014 23:01 (ten years ago) link

I read an article about the stress of being an ebola nurse. Encased in completely enveloping PPE in a hot climate for 12 + hour shifts. Dealing with infectious, dying patients that constantly fall out of beds, spray blood and diarrhea all over the place. The people that deal with these patients ... I just have no idea where they get their courage from.

xelab, Monday, 4 August 2014 23:06 (ten years ago) link

Yeah,

the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Sunday, 17 August 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link

Plague Inc is my favorite game

Bringing the mosh (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 17 August 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link

dr. brantly speaking now, was just discharged from emory

k3vin k., Thursday, 21 August 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tests-under-way-for-ebola-following-donegal-death-1.1904073

Shit got real. school with this guys sister

genderification: gone too far? (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 August 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link

Pharmeceutical industry person tries to defend the industry re charges they have not done enough re ebola because it is in poor countries

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2014/08/18/washington-post-off-base-in-critiquing-pharma-efforts-in-ebola/

curmudgeon, Friday, 22 August 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link

the incentives for the pharmaceutical industry are what they are, unfortunately

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/25/ebolanomics

k3vin k., Saturday, 23 August 2014 04:28 (ten years ago) link

Irish guy didn't have Ebola. Was a false alarm.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Saturday, 23 August 2014 07:07 (ten years ago) link

South Africa and Senegal trying to bar some folks from countries at issue from entry

curmudgeon, Saturday, 23 August 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

First US case in Dallas. Take that NYC & LA! We're number one!

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link

Yikes!

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:25 (ten years ago) link

I wonder how many crisis of this kind will happen before countries take the WHO seriously and decide to invest in a proper international health structure to prevent this kind of outbreak. Freaking hate to see institutions like the FMI giving up to 130 millions $ but then pressure politicians in the region to go for austerity, it's a waste of money for everyone.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:37 (ten years ago) link

ebola USED to be at the top of my list of irrational fears. presbyterian hospital is about 5 miles north of where i'm sitting right now.

welp

i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link

#patientzero

i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:15 (ten years ago) link

The Frontline piece on this a week or so ago was eye-opening. Hospitals that are barely more than cordoned off fields, mass graves, disinfecting the back of trucks (where patients ride, near death) by tossing in buckets of bleach, doctors and other aid workers more or less forced to visit villages free of any special suits for fear of scaring the shit out of everyone, children orphaned and alone overnight. Just heartbreaking. It's both a matter of doctors struggling to keep up with a rapidly and easily spreading illness and a population almost impossible to isolate. Bodies being dumped and left by the side of the road, families taking members out of quarantine, superstitious treatments co-mingling with modern medicine ...

Here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ebola-outbreak/

The saddest bit may be at the end, where grave diggers, one by one, list all their families members who have succumbed.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:23 (ten years ago) link

I'm just a few miles further away, art. Drive by it almost every day as I head up to Richardson.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:48 (ten years ago) link

Your risk of dying from ebola (total confirmed 2014 ebola deaths: a few thousand worldwide) is still lower than your risk of dying due to complications related to seasonal influenza (on average, 5800-7500 a year in the US). Get a flu shot. Don't get too preoccupied by ebola.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:59 (ten years ago) link

wanna c&p that on every damn facebook post I see for the next week

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link

be my guest

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link

i have total confidence in the medical system to properly handle any other arising cases. that said, i am still illogically terrified

i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link

Sick Burn I saw on FB:

Don't worry about Ebola spreading in Dallas. The Cowboys have shown us that people in Dallas can't catch anything.

You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 03:21 (ten years ago) link

Ebola spreads by physical contact with bodily secretions and fluids. That makes it easier to contain in a place like the USA or Europe, where there are lots of medical facilities and a patient's recent contacts can be quickly discovered and tracked down.

Even so, if ebola strongly establishes itself in Africa, with a reservoir of infected people who keep the virus continuously viable and circulating, then not only will massive numbers of africans die, but ebola will keep leaping to other parts of the world, including the USA and Europe. It can be compared to sparks thrown out from a wildfire, which land on tinder and start other fires away from the main fire. You can put out many of these small satellite fires, but it is hard to extinguish all of them, and the more new places that start burning the harder the firestorm is to keep contained.

Aimless, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 03:43 (ten years ago) link

That's a good analogy. I really wish international focus between the Ebola outbreak and ISIL was better divided.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 03:56 (ten years ago) link

run for the hills imo

the late great, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 04:05 (ten years ago) link

*not the hills of West Africa, tho*

Sara R-C, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 05:57 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/LHm72Rq.png

polyphonic, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:17 (ten years ago) link

ugh goddamned parody accounts :(

polyphonic, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:19 (ten years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-spreading-in-west-africa.html

this is a very difficult article to read

apparently the problem is not money but organization and time

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link

Oh jeez:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/02/texas-ebola_n_5919522.html

at what point is it ok for me to start panicking?

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link

supposed to go to the state fair this weekend and have resolved not to touch any surfaces and to bathe myself in hand sanitizer after it is all over.

i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:43 (ten years ago) link

the panic is hilarious. Especially from folks who drive on the streets of Dallas. You should be much more afraid of north Texas drivers than ebola.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link

until there is an effective vaccine I consider ebola as a threat, but in the USA it is a long term threat, which gives the researchers plenty of time to develop that vaccine.

Aimless, Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link

truly despicable imo for rand paul, a physician, to be saying things like this to score political points

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-rand-paul-sounds-ebola-alarm/

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-spreading-in-west-africa.html

this is a very difficult article to read

apparently the problem is not money but organization and time

― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:27 PM (Yesterday

disorganization and lack of preparedness (not to mention distrust of medical authorities, belief in traditional healing, etc) are consequences of poverty, though. this was from a few weeks ago but i think it's a good primer

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1409494

First, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Liberia are resource-poor countries already coping with major health challenges, such as malaria and other endemic diseases, some of which may be confused with EVD. Next, their borders are porous, and movement between countries is constant. Health care infrastructure is inadequate, and health workers and essential supplies including personal protective equipment are scarce. Traditional practices, such as bathing of corpses before burial, have facilitated transmission. The epidemic has spread to cities, which complicates tracing of contacts. Finally, decades of conflict have left the populations distrustful of governing officials and authority figures such as health professionals. Add to these problems a rapidly spreading virus with a high mortality rate, and the scope of the challenge becomes clear

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link

rand paul, a physician

He's an ophthalmologist without board certification so this is something of a stretch, but yeah obv his statements are fear mongering nonsense.

does anyone know what's the hard libertarian faithful take on institutions like the cdc?

Nowitzki Shrugged (Clay), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link

viruses are information that wants to be free?

chemical aioli (Hunt3r), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link

It seems to be under control in Nigeria! Good news!

Slate: Spread of Ebola Appears to Have Been Stopped in Nigeria

Meanwhile, local health workers paid 18,500 face-to-face visits to repeatedly take the temperatures of nearly 900 people who had contact with them. The last confirmed case was detected on Aug. 31, and virtually all contacts have passed the 21-day incubation period without falling ill.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link

wow, don't think i knew about paul's board certification controversy before this, that's pretty messed up. at any rate tho he's still a physician and should know better

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link

Got the new Pfizer this morning

Brad C., Friday, 30 August 2024 00:12 (one month ago) link

T-minus 12 hours

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2024 00:15 (one month ago) link

It probably helped you to not die of covid.

― visiting, Wednesday, August 28, 2024

I’m not aware of one that was approved or released in November — was it mRNA or protein or…?

― Robespierre Delecto (sic), Thursday, August 29, 2024

Pfizer released an updated vaccine in the Fall of 2023.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/updated-covid-vaccine-10-things-to-know#:~:text=There%20has%20been%20better%20protection,and%20death%20from%20the%20disease.

I got the updated Pfizer vaccine in November 2023 and then again in July of this year, shortly before my trip and subsequent infection. When I said "it didn't protect me at all" I wasn't implying that vaccines have no value - I've gotten every updated one! - just that I then went on to have exactly the same symptoms as everyone else I know who were recently infected but who weren't recently vaccinated.

I hope that I can get the new one this Fall, but it will be less than 6 months since my last one.

Dan S, Friday, 30 August 2024 00:21 (one month ago) link

So! After learning at CVS this morning that my insurance doesn't cover the vax, I got confirmation from Florida Blue (Cross) a little while ago. My PCP ain't administering the vax either. To be clear I have (or had!) excellent state insurance offered by my university. That's seriously fucked. I have to pay OOP. Imagine if I were poor.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2024 14:33 (one month ago) link

That's terrible!

Brad C., Friday, 30 August 2024 15:10 (one month ago) link

"is the US a dystopia" part MCXXV

pink-haired Marxist (sleeve), Friday, 30 August 2024 15:11 (one month ago) link

make profit from those who can afford it, let the rest suffer and maybe die nbd

omar little, Friday, 30 August 2024 15:32 (one month ago) link

Who could have predicted in August, 2012 when this thread was started that it would accumulate over 17,600 posts? I'm thinking this must be the longest thread on ilx by now.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 30 August 2024 16:24 (one month ago) link

novavax 2024 approved https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-authorizes-updated-novavax-covid-19-vaccine-better-protect-against-currently-circulating. two doses 3 weeks apart required.

I had the vid in June so I'm waiting until thanksgiving to get mine, but I'll probably try novavax this year.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 30 August 2024 19:34 (one month ago) link

two doses 3 weeks apart is only if you’ve never had a COVID vax before. otherwise a single dose at least two months after any previous formula.

Robespierre Delecto (sic), Friday, 30 August 2024 20:55 (one month ago) link

also great news and ta!

Robespierre Delecto (sic), Friday, 30 August 2024 21:02 (one month ago) link

i can't even remember the last time a vaccination was offered to me. I took every one I had and I think that was, like... two? I think the UK gives them to the very old and very vulnerable, but my other half was on some vulnerable list (free flu jab) and hasn't been eligible for one for a long time.

kinder, Friday, 30 August 2024 21:47 (one month ago) link

anecdotally quite a few friends here (UK) have had covid recently.

kinder, Friday, 30 August 2024 21:48 (one month ago) link

ok so Spring 2024 booster was very ltd (age 75 years+, care homes, immunosuppressed) but Autumn 2024 is the usual over-65, frontline workers, care homes, clinical at-risk).

kinder, Friday, 30 August 2024 21:52 (one month ago) link

my mom has the covid booster, flu shot, RSV and one other vax scheduled for the same appointment next week, human pincushion time

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 30 August 2024 22:02 (one month ago) link

Thanks, kinder - got one last winter because of risk, hope I can get one soon on that basis.

guillotine vogue (suzy), Friday, 30 August 2024 22:08 (one month ago) link

twooter thread with more detail on novavax vs RNA

I made this graphic to show how different vaccine types work (back in 2021).

We can just look at line 1 (protein vax like Novavax) and line 3 (RNA vax).

In protein vax, antigen-presenting cells take up the antigen to activate B cells and Thelper cells.... pic.twitter.com/lSsNIR2iIO

— Michael Lin, MD PhD 🧬 (@michaelzlin) September 1, 2024

Robespierre Delecto (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2024 17:50 (one month ago) link

How does one find a novavax shot? My normal Walgreens seems to only have mRNA right now.

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 12:59 (four weeks ago) link

there's been a big increase in novavax ads, in fact the ad directs you to http://choosenovavax.com/

, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 13:06 (four weeks ago) link

probably going to go for some novavax in a little while. I had the virus we all know and despise last week, for the first time since the first week of June 2022. still not a fan!

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 14:31 (four weeks ago) link

I hear it's quite good with a Negroni and espresso.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 14:32 (four weeks ago) link

free testing and shots in US:

The ICATT program will continue to provide no-cost COVID-19 testing for uninsured people that are symptomatic or exposed. More than 19,000 ICATT sites will offer no-cost COVID-19 vaccines under the CDC Bridge Access program to adults without health insurance and adults without full vaccine insurance coverage. An estimated 10,000 ICATT sites continue to support testing and disease surveillance needs at non-emergency levels. A list of no-cost COVID-19 testing sites can be found on the COVID-19 Testing Locator website. To find a no-cost COVID-19 vaccine near you please visit vaccines.gov.

https://testinglocator.cdc.gov/

dow, Wednesday, 11 September 2024 23:48 (three weeks ago) link

Novavax is starting to be rolled out. According to this page it's currently only available at Publix but lots of other places say "coming soon."

https://us.novavaxcovidvaccine.com/find-a-vaccine

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Thursday, 12 September 2024 18:45 (two weeks ago) link

cvs and walgreens have it in NYC

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 12 September 2024 18:54 (two weeks ago) link

bump
while a lot of people are logged in
for those who haven't seen recent post re free tests and shots.

dow, Wednesday, 18 September 2024 21:21 (two weeks ago) link

got my novavax today :)

ivy., Wednesday, 18 September 2024 21:34 (two weeks ago) link

i got one on monday at my doctor's office. felt crappy all day yesterday. fine today. i have to go back there in 6 weeks and i'll get a flu shot then. maria and my dad got both shots yesterday and are fine today. i can't do that. i get ill. maybe cuz i'm a redhead.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 September 2024 21:58 (two weeks ago) link

i got moderna.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 September 2024 22:00 (two weeks ago) link

for the record: the nurse was NO on getting covid vax for herself. my doctor was YES.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 September 2024 22:01 (two weeks ago) link

Nursing has for some reason some of the dumbest employees to breathe air.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 September 2024 22:04 (two weeks ago) link

lol my CVS got ten (10) doses of novavax and expect to get no more

Robespierre Delecto (sic), Thursday, 19 September 2024 02:38 (one week ago) link

nursing is such a wild job space. overworked, dealing with people
having the worst days. no time for
food and the break room is just snacks on snacks. a crazy percentage of smokers. complete fatalism about some medical risks. overrepresented among careers on the lowest tier of dating apps

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 19 September 2024 02:56 (one week ago) link

i always feel good when i read stuff like this. i am always the only one in the house who gets sick for a day or two after a covid shot.

"The good news: new research shows that more side effects might be beneficial because they reflect greater production of virus-fighting antibodies after vaccination."

“The more symptoms people reported, the higher their antibody levels were,” says Aric Prather, a clinical psychologist at the University of California San Francisco, who led the study."

https://www.bu.edu/neidl/2023/12/its-good-to-feel-bad-after-your-covid-shot/

scott seward, Thursday, 19 September 2024 03:05 (one week ago) link

so if you feel shitty after a shot just remember this:


A study found that people who reported more symptoms after receiving a COVID shot had higher levels of antibodies that fight viruses.

In a study of adults with heart failure who received a flu vaccine, those who experienced side effects were less likely to be hospitalized or die prematurely

scott seward, Thursday, 19 September 2024 03:06 (one week ago) link

i still - i shouldn't say this out loud - have never had symptomatic covid. i also never get the flu and i get a flu shot every year. flu is my least favorite thing. that nurse the other day said when she first got covid it felt like "the flu on steroids". ahhhhh! so scary. i'm so sorry for anyone who has gone through that. i have had insane flus in my life where i honestly felt like i should go to a hospital and i just suffered them out alone. but its been years. i love flu shots.

scott seward, Thursday, 19 September 2024 03:10 (one week ago) link

FWIW, I’m no-vid too. Last time I got the flu was maybe over ten years ago? I get the shot…

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 19 September 2024 03:27 (one week ago) link

I get almost zero side effects post-vaccine but have had covid twice. My friend feels like crap for two days after a vaccine but her brother died of covid and she’s never had it. That’s my anecdotal data.

I’d say my cases were mid, in the grand scheme of things

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 19 September 2024 03:36 (one week ago) link

That case I had about a month ago was the first time I've had symptomatic Covid as well. The one thing that seems to be lingering is the dry eyes, and they're severe enough to feel like I have glass splinters in them at times. I'm starting to use artificial tears, and that seems to be helping.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 19 September 2024 04:34 (one week ago) link

i've never had covid either as far as i know. about 15 years ago a bad flu triggered my alopecia and i lost all the hair on my body, seemingly permanently. so basically i take every precaution to make sure i don't get covid / long covid. once bitten...

speaking of which, gotta get my shot. i think it will be moderna.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 19 September 2024 11:57 (one week ago) link

think of all the money you've saved on shampoo? hair brushes? there must be a silver lining somewhere! fun wigs? but yeesh yeah that must have been very alarming! the flu is no joke.

i worry about my dad obviously. he's never had covid either and if he ever got a bad case...well....he's 89 and three days in the hospital last month for a stomach obstruction left him weak for a month or more. can only imagine what a bad virus would do. actually i don't want to imagine.

scott seward, Thursday, 19 September 2024 12:54 (one week ago) link

Tracked down a Novavax shot today and got it along with flu. They had it at CVS but apparently CVS doesn't take my insurance, which is wacky because I work for the state university system that has like 50k employees and excellent coverage. Ended up getting it at a grocery store pharmacy, where, because my wife and I both got covid and flu shots, gave us a $40 rebate that we can use on anything at the store. So it a way we got paid in groceries to get the shots! I'm gonna buy wine.

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Saturday, 21 September 2024 18:53 (one week ago) link

triggered my alopecia and i lost all the hair on my body, seemingly permanently.

There’s hope still… my sister lost all her hair and then went on this trail treatment for alopecia and all her hair is back now. They are bringing it into market and wanted her paying full price for it, but they made a big stink, so the trail people get to stay on it (either free or very cheap). So it might be costly, but there should be an option for you soon.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 21 September 2024 19:24 (one week ago) link

Tracked down a Novavax shot today and got it along with flu. They had it at CVS but apparently CVS doesn't take my insurance, which is wacky because I work for the state university system that has like 50k employees and excellent coverage.

My story three weeks ago exactly.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 September 2024 20:28 (one week ago) link


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