Is this anti-semitism?

I wouldn't want anyone to die in this stupid, never ending conflict, except Hamas

lol

if we can just take out that hamas guy

If they repudiated their explicitly violent, explicitly anti-Semitic charter, that's cool with me as an alternative.

i always felt like the balls persona was just missing a little bit more morbsian batshittery so i'm glad he has decided to take it up a notch

'you don't have to be batshit to find deliberately targeting and killing women and children repugnant - but it helps!'

If they repudiated their explicitly violent, explicitly anti-Semitic charter

gosh I wonder if there's any kind of equivalent demand that could be made of the Israeli gov't

i always find reasonable those ppl who shout 'baby-killer' at ppl they disagree w/

what if the people you disagree w are baby-killers

gosh I wonder if there's any kind of equivalent demand that could be made of the Israeli gov't

I get what you mean, I think/hope, but there is no Israeli equivalent to the Hamas charter, unless it is ultra-top conspiracy theory take over the world tin-hat secret.

Arabs are semites, too....just sayin'

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there's a boatload of policies that are explicitly anti-Palestinian that the Israeli gov't will never repudiate

lol mordy you were explicitly defending baby killing as something that routinely happened during war throughout history so what's the big deal w/ israel doing it just a few weeks ago. for someone who can't stand them tv dinners you sure do eat enough of them motherfuckers.

i gotta assume you're just trolling bc you're so incoherent to me i otherwise have to believe you've had an aneurysm

they don't go as far as explicitly endorsing the mass murder of Palestinians but they pretty much ensure that Palestinians will never have a functional country/government/polity

fwiw I am aware of all the batshit stuff in the Hamas charter (those evil Rotary Clubs must be stopped!)

xp

irl lol @ "Bob George" / balls

(& otm)

would be nice if there could be some kind of trade-off - Israel recognizing the right of return for Hamas recognizing Israel's right to exist, but these kinds of trade-offs would completely destroy the existing political orders which, of course, no one on either side will ever have any serious political motivation for doing.

gotta maintain power, priority number one

it's not enshrined, shakey. i thought this was an interesting part of that big new republic piece:

While the loss of Jewish Home’s twelve MKs would leave Netanyahu five short of a majority—and therefore at risk of new elections—the prime minister seemed positively blasé. In leaked conversations from that day, officials in his office said they had “other options,” an apparent reference to the 15-MK Labor Party. Swapping Jewish Home for Labor would be an incredible gamble for the notoriously risk-averse prime minister. It would put him at the head of a coalition dominated by doves, who could then bring down his government if he was not flexible in the talks.

But if Netanyahu was preparing a coalition shakeup, nobody from his office had informed Labor leader Isaac Herzog. Is Bibi bluffing? Herzog wondered as he read the “other options” quote. He called Aryeh Deri, leader of the ultra-Orthodox Shas Party (Netanyahu’s only other numerical route to a Bennett-less majority). “I haven’t heard from him, either,” Deri said. That day at the Knesset, Livni cornered Herzog in the hall and pressed him to join the government immediately. “We can’t waste any time,” she said.

Herzog resisted. “What’s the rush?” he said. “Let’s see what the Americans produce.”

While Livni and Herzog were talking, Bennett walked by. He stopped and looked the two over. “I see you’re already replacing me,” he said.

On the hard right, settler leaders and ministers were in a panic—a Palestinian state was about to be born because of a personal feud! Ariel urged Bennett to apologize. “This issue isn’t worth the fight,” he told him. “There are more urgent things to worry about: a settlement freeze, more prisoner releases.” Bennett, realizing that he had gone too far, backtracked that evening. “If the prime minister was hurt, that wasn’t my intention,” he said in a statement. Netanyahu agreed to accept the half-apology and move on, certain that another confrontation was only a matter of time.

if the israeli public could be convinced that it was in their best interest to bring labor back into government, the Palestinians (if they were willing to deal) could pretty easily get a state.

wait do you sincerely not remember dismissing the deliberate targeting and killing of palestinian children as 'shit happens, it's war, read yr history books'. was yr account hacked by hamas? if you need help reminding it was after you were convinced hamas killed those israeli teenagers it turned out they didn't kill, y'know yr whole causus belli being built on a lie (reminds me of another war in the mideast), but before you said israeli bombing the palestinian ppl would be justified cuz some of them had said lies about israel on facebook. admittedly there's alot more morally repugnant, bigoted, and batshit insane stuff you've posted about this in yr time as a more kosher baghdad bob here so apologies if the timeframe there isn't narrow enough to ring a bell for you.

circular conversation
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201516587956753
this is education in Gaza

lol ok balls whatever u say.

i mean if you want me to say 'a plague on both their houses' done but my govt doesn't spend billions helping hamas kill israelis so forgive me if my focus is one-sided.

look dude, i don't know why you even need to engage w/ my opinion. obv you feel strongly enough about this to claim that josh + i support baby-murder. you'll forgive me tho if that opinion means i'm not super interest in engaging back.

interested*

were you high when you posted israel killing children was no big deal historically? was that it?

Tbf Mordy you have called this whole operation from Israel an "appropriate response"

it's pretty obv to me that there's a difference between saying "civilian casualties are common during war and are not alone a reason not to perform a military operation" and saying "killing babies isn't a big deal."

but i get why you feel the need to conflate the two.

Check this shit out. I was down a rabbit hole reading a wikipedia article about some bullshit that happened 45 frickin' years ago and they were talking about this shit even then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Park_%28Berkeley%29#15_May_1969_.22Bloody_Thursday.22

Beginning at noon, about 3,000 people appeared in Sproul Plaza at nearby UC Berkeley for a rally, the original purpose of which was to discuss the Arab–Israeli conflict.

What the fuck. The people who gathered in that park to discuss this shit on that day are probably all retired by now. Seriously how have they not settled this shit by now? This is so stupid.

i mean i will give you credit, as bibi flunkies go you've got the routine down. defend savagery as necessary and honorable then turn around and dismiss anyone who calls you savage as unserious and impossible to engage with. it's working wonders for you guys in this country btw (i know physically you're in the us mordy, but we all know where yr heart is), increased calls from the right and left to abolish the billions in funding we give to israel (some of them - hi rand - taking the stance that this is in fact a pro-zionist stance, cut them apron strings, for yr own good y'know), the obama admin leaking that israel has done 'irreperable damage to the special relationship', it's almost like deliberately targeting and killing children is bad pr. you'd think you guys would've learned this from observing hamas all these years.

oh you know where my heart is. lovely.

"you guys" - you're a pretty sick dude. but at least you're putting this shit in the right thread

fwiw, tho it's totally irrelevant to this thread, i'm in favor of the US cutting funding as well. i don't think israel needs it and i think it hampers their ability to make alliances w/ other major powers throughout the world. if the US sees no value in the "special relationship" (and i don't think Obama does) then there's no reason to keep it going.

'you guys' = israel. though at least you're putting yr dismissing all criticism of israel as anti-semitic in the right thread (along w/ four or five others currently i'm sure).

all criticism of israel. lol. calling ppl "baby killers," "bibi flunkies," insinuating that my heart isn't in the county I was born and to which I'm a citizen but some other country, "you guys," I don't have to dismiss your criticism as anti-semitic. it's self-evidently so. i wouldn't be surprised if you're even making LBI uncomfortable w/ the way you're talking.

lol so pointing out someone parrots likud talking points is 'self evidently' anti-semitic? criticising israel deliberately targeting and killing of children is 'self evidently' anti-semitic? criticising glib dismissals of these criticisms as unserious is 'self evidently' anti-semitic? pointing out that someone who repeatedly and routinely declares he is more sympathetic towards and identifies more w/ the interests of 'some other country' than the country in which he was born is 'self evidently' anti-semitic? were pro-mussolini italian-americans in the thirties secretly actually jewish? identifying someone as a member of a group they routinely identify themselves as a member of is 'self evidently' anti-semitic? if i call rudy giuliani a yankees fan and a republican and hence two times a scumbag is that double 'self evidently' anti-semitic? do you seriously classify killing children and carrying water for bibi as central to the jewish identity?

routinely declares he is more sympathetic towards and identifies more w/ the interests of 'some other country' than the country in which he was born

I don't think Mordy does this fwiw, this is going too far

lol sorry for insinuating the mordy might be pro-israel or a zionist, obv he's a detached observer w/ no rooting interests, obv when the issue of american funding of israel came up his first thought wasn't how it affected israel.

saying someone identifies more with the interests of another country than the one they hold citizenship in/live in is p close to calling someone a traitor just wtf is that really necessary; there is absolutely a history of that tactic being used to anti-semitic ends

like maybe calm down and take a deep breath here

dnftt

obv when there was talk of america intervening in syria last year and mordy was basing his arguments on how it affected israel he was doing a character, y'know like imus, that's not how he actually thinks and feels. no way is israel the prism thru which that guy views the middle east.

xp i don't think he's a traitor. this is america, short of him endorsing acts of war or espionage against this country he's not a traitor (o wait). but for him to act after all these years like he doesn't have any sympathies w/ israel, that he hasn't parrotted likud propaganda, that he didn't just the other day declare the idf the most honest and accurate source of what's going on in the conflict, and that he didn't say hamas posting lies about israel on facebook was worthy of a military response, to call this out as bullshit isn't 'self evidently' anti-semitic. maybe i'm wrong though. maybe killing children is a central part of the jewish identity. suspect very much though that someone who said or believed this would actually be 'self evidently' anti-semitic though. unless they're mordy.

declare the idf the most honest and accurate source of what's going on in the conflict, and that he didn't say hamas posting lies about israel on facebook was worthy of a military response,

these are misrepresentations/innacurate (unless I missed some posts but I don't think I did)

in other news my man, Wallace Shawn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxDYiBls99w

it's all inaccuracies. i never claimed i don't have any sympathies w/ israel, i don't "parrot" likud propaganda, i never said the idf is the most honest and accurate source of what's going on (i did suggest that in past conflicts their fatality numbers have turned out to be closest to reality after the war), i never said that hamas posting lies about israel on fb was worthy of a military response (??? who the fuck knows where balls' got this one from)

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― Mordy

Obviously we won't know anything for sure probably for months until all the facts come out. This is worth looking at:

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2014/07/half-of-dead-in-gaza-are-terrorists.html#.U9KbsBZ1ZfM

As well as this from Cast Lead in 2009:
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_print=1&x_context=7&x_issue=76&x_article=1952

― Mordy, Friday, July 25, 2014 2:04 PM (3 days ago)

it turned out that in 2009 idf had the most accurate numbers after the conflict had ended

― Mordy, Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:41 PM (Yesterday)

I think it's bizarre to equate being pro-Mussolini with being pro-Israel, inasmuch as Mussolini was literally on the opposite side of a war with us.

"i did suggest that in past conflicts their fatality numbers have turned out to be closest to reality after the war" < wow! i said what i said i said. good job, balls.

now maybe find me this one? "that he didn't say hamas posting lies about israel on facebook was worthy of a military response"

rolling mena thread, find it yrself