Is this anti-semitism?

lol so pointing out someone parrots likud talking points is 'self evidently' anti-semitic? criticising israel deliberately targeting and killing of children is 'self evidently' anti-semitic? criticising glib dismissals of these criticisms as unserious is 'self evidently' anti-semitic? pointing out that someone who repeatedly and routinely declares he is more sympathetic towards and identifies more w/ the interests of 'some other country' than the country in which he was born is 'self evidently' anti-semitic? were pro-mussolini italian-americans in the thirties secretly actually jewish? identifying someone as a member of a group they routinely identify themselves as a member of is 'self evidently' anti-semitic? if i call rudy giuliani a yankees fan and a republican and hence two times a scumbag is that double 'self evidently' anti-semitic? do you seriously classify killing children and carrying water for bibi as central to the jewish identity?

routinely declares he is more sympathetic towards and identifies more w/ the interests of 'some other country' than the country in which he was born

I don't think Mordy does this fwiw, this is going too far

lol sorry for insinuating the mordy might be pro-israel or a zionist, obv he's a detached observer w/ no rooting interests, obv when the issue of american funding of israel came up his first thought wasn't how it affected israel.

saying someone identifies more with the interests of another country than the one they hold citizenship in/live in is p close to calling someone a traitor just wtf is that really necessary; there is absolutely a history of that tactic being used to anti-semitic ends

like maybe calm down and take a deep breath here

dnftt

obv when there was talk of america intervening in syria last year and mordy was basing his arguments on how it affected israel he was doing a character, y'know like imus, that's not how he actually thinks and feels. no way is israel the prism thru which that guy views the middle east.

xp i don't think he's a traitor. this is america, short of him endorsing acts of war or espionage against this country he's not a traitor (o wait). but for him to act after all these years like he doesn't have any sympathies w/ israel, that he hasn't parrotted likud propaganda, that he didn't just the other day declare the idf the most honest and accurate source of what's going on in the conflict, and that he didn't say hamas posting lies about israel on facebook was worthy of a military response, to call this out as bullshit isn't 'self evidently' anti-semitic. maybe i'm wrong though. maybe killing children is a central part of the jewish identity. suspect very much though that someone who said or believed this would actually be 'self evidently' anti-semitic though. unless they're mordy.

declare the idf the most honest and accurate source of what's going on in the conflict, and that he didn't say hamas posting lies about israel on facebook was worthy of a military response,

these are misrepresentations/innacurate (unless I missed some posts but I don't think I did)

in other news my man, Wallace Shawn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxDYiBls99w

it's all inaccuracies. i never claimed i don't have any sympathies w/ israel, i don't "parrot" likud propaganda, i never said the idf is the most honest and accurate source of what's going on (i did suggest that in past conflicts their fatality numbers have turned out to be closest to reality after the war), i never said that hamas posting lies about israel on fb was worthy of a military response (??? who the fuck knows where balls' got this one from)

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― Mordy

Obviously we won't know anything for sure probably for months until all the facts come out. This is worth looking at:

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2014/07/half-of-dead-in-gaza-are-terrorists.html#.U9KbsBZ1ZfM

As well as this from Cast Lead in 2009:
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_print=1&x_context=7&x_issue=76&x_article=1952

― Mordy, Friday, July 25, 2014 2:04 PM (3 days ago)

it turned out that in 2009 idf had the most accurate numbers after the conflict had ended

― Mordy, Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:41 PM (Yesterday)

I think it's bizarre to equate being pro-Mussolini with being pro-Israel, inasmuch as Mussolini was literally on the opposite side of a war with us.

"i did suggest that in past conflicts their fatality numbers have turned out to be closest to reality after the war" < wow! i said what i said i said. good job, balls.

now maybe find me this one? "that he didn't say hamas posting lies about israel on facebook was worthy of a military response"

rolling mena thread, find it yrself

gfy :)

btw that post where you said what you said you said was when someone asked you if you really thought idf was the most accurate source of information on the conflict (after posting idf propaganda about how actually all those ppl they're killing? terrorists. you can tell cuz they're palestinian). doesn't read like a denial to me!

gotcha

i mean maybe it's batshit or self evidently anti-semitic but i'd consider posting a tweet from idf's twitter account as a rebuttal to a claim that they're killing children parroting idf.

ok cool

i mean if i'm distracting you from getting back to pretending some israeli bank is the real victim here when you think about it i do apologize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR7EAdPUqvQ

great pinky showed up

My bad, I meant that for the Minecraft thread.

In hopefully less incendiary anti-Semitism news, we ate at a sandwich shop in Colorado that, along with the usual, served a pastrami and cheese sandwich called the Jewish. Which is weird on several different levels.

"could you make mine extra-Jewy please"

Is it weird to call a sub "The Italian"?

ayyyyy! boshk!

But an Italian sub is called that because it was made popular by Italian immigrants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich). The Jewish (which does not exist, as such, but let's go with the name), not so much. Not least because it is brazenly not Kosher.

eating a Jewish person breaks kosher anyway tbf

I was trying to think of other situations where the descriptive adjective (Jewish) is not the same as the identifying noun (Jew) but couldn't think of any

Jew eat?

tbf if I saw a sandwich called The Jew I would probably be a little freaked out

The Jewish is just comically inept

I had typed eating a Jew but that sounded coarse and idk not good then I changed it to eating a Jewish person and fuck me if it didn't sound delicious

that the case w/ most nationalities or ethnicities that don't end in 'n' right? arabic vs arab, french vs frenchman, white vs whitey. i've heard use of 'blacks' as a noun but in the singular it's pretty uncommon. seems like in english though overwhelmingly the descriptive adjective and the identifying noun both end in 'n' and are the same. i'm trying to think of examples where they aren't the same or conversely whey they (or more accurately the descriptive) don't end in 'n' and they are the same.

tom green's bum was on the Swede, not the Swedish

Mordy doesn't parrot propaganda, when he makes points he leaves spaces for disagreement and implies question marks all over (as far as I can see anyway, don't know if you would agree Mordy?) which is so vastly better than 99% of what yr gonna get in online chat about the Israel Palestine conflict between members of the public

Could we also basically remember that whatever we all think of each other, no-one on this thread is actually doing the things, we're all just commentating on the things

just saw a harrowing video of three guys emerging from a tunnel carrying guns

thank goodness there are children being bombed in response

hi

that the same video in which they emerged to kill a soldier?

Killing soldiers? Isn't that a war crime?

xxp card (am0n) otm

you got me man I'm in here to cheer on the deaths of innocents too, hurrah for ilx

maybe? i didn't see the end. the narrator said they went on to attack a military installation of some kind. hopefully there wasn't a school in the way!

xpost lol

dear israel: get a fucking grip on yourself

yeah saw the same clip, dead soldier ensues, doubtless used as justification for another day of slaughter to rival the images of dead and wounded Palestinian families that preceded it, doubtless to be used as justification for etc and just fuck it for a heartbreaking mess obv.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/israel-goes-alone-2

To some extent, such sentiments are a reflex action from a nation at war, albeit a limited war in which the vast majority of casualties are on the other side. But the criticisms of Obama also represent something deeper and more lasting: an increasingly assertive Israel that views itself as justified in its actions, besieged by international critics, and capable of following its own course without having to seek approval.

even chait is growing uncomfortable

Chait OTM. And the article he refers to, The Explosive, Inside Story of How John Kerry Built an Israel-Palestine Peace Plan—and Watched It Crumble is a great read, and I would recommend it to anyone who is somewhat interested in the conflict.