Is this anti-semitism?

gotcha

i mean maybe it's batshit or self evidently anti-semitic but i'd consider posting a tweet from idf's twitter account as a rebuttal to a claim that they're killing children parroting idf.

ok cool

i mean if i'm distracting you from getting back to pretending some israeli bank is the real victim here when you think about it i do apologize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR7EAdPUqvQ

great pinky showed up

My bad, I meant that for the Minecraft thread.

In hopefully less incendiary anti-Semitism news, we ate at a sandwich shop in Colorado that, along with the usual, served a pastrami and cheese sandwich called the Jewish. Which is weird on several different levels.

"could you make mine extra-Jewy please"

Is it weird to call a sub "The Italian"?

ayyyyy! boshk!

But an Italian sub is called that because it was made popular by Italian immigrants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich). The Jewish (which does not exist, as such, but let's go with the name), not so much. Not least because it is brazenly not Kosher.

eating a Jewish person breaks kosher anyway tbf

I was trying to think of other situations where the descriptive adjective (Jewish) is not the same as the identifying noun (Jew) but couldn't think of any

Jew eat?

tbf if I saw a sandwich called The Jew I would probably be a little freaked out

The Jewish is just comically inept

I had typed eating a Jew but that sounded coarse and idk not good then I changed it to eating a Jewish person and fuck me if it didn't sound delicious

that the case w/ most nationalities or ethnicities that don't end in 'n' right? arabic vs arab, french vs frenchman, white vs whitey. i've heard use of 'blacks' as a noun but in the singular it's pretty uncommon. seems like in english though overwhelmingly the descriptive adjective and the identifying noun both end in 'n' and are the same. i'm trying to think of examples where they aren't the same or conversely whey they (or more accurately the descriptive) don't end in 'n' and they are the same.

tom green's bum was on the Swede, not the Swedish

Mordy doesn't parrot propaganda, when he makes points he leaves spaces for disagreement and implies question marks all over (as far as I can see anyway, don't know if you would agree Mordy?) which is so vastly better than 99% of what yr gonna get in online chat about the Israel Palestine conflict between members of the public

Could we also basically remember that whatever we all think of each other, no-one on this thread is actually doing the things, we're all just commentating on the things

just saw a harrowing video of three guys emerging from a tunnel carrying guns

thank goodness there are children being bombed in response

hi

that the same video in which they emerged to kill a soldier?

Killing soldiers? Isn't that a war crime?

xxp card (am0n) otm

you got me man I'm in here to cheer on the deaths of innocents too, hurrah for ilx

maybe? i didn't see the end. the narrator said they went on to attack a military installation of some kind. hopefully there wasn't a school in the way!

xpost lol

dear israel: get a fucking grip on yourself

yeah saw the same clip, dead soldier ensues, doubtless used as justification for another day of slaughter to rival the images of dead and wounded Palestinian families that preceded it, doubtless to be used as justification for etc and just fuck it for a heartbreaking mess obv.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/israel-goes-alone-2

To some extent, such sentiments are a reflex action from a nation at war, albeit a limited war in which the vast majority of casualties are on the other side. But the criticisms of Obama also represent something deeper and more lasting: an increasingly assertive Israel that views itself as justified in its actions, besieged by international critics, and capable of following its own course without having to seek approval.

even chait is growing uncomfortable

Chait OTM. And the article he refers to, The Explosive, Inside Story of How John Kerry Built an Israel-Palestine Peace Plan—and Watched It Crumble is a great read, and I would recommend it to anyone who is somewhat interested in the conflict.

is this srsly the only thread we have about the current gaza insanity?

Rolling MENA 2014

ahhhhh thx

gross:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/bondi-racist-bus-attack-jewish-schools-on-alert-after-eight-men-threaten-to-cut-schoolchildrens-throats/story-fni0cx4q-1227015860427?nk=bc39ea6bef378c090a66e7fe394370eb

Awesome. I've got nominally Jewish family in Australia. Let's see if this makes them and their little kids feel more or less Jewish.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/07/antisemitism-rise-europe-worst-since-nazis?CMP=twt_fd

hmm yes i think that is indeed anti-semitism

Just checking

Anti-Jewish hatred is rising – we must see it for what it is

http://gu.com/p/4vjcz

I don't know what Jacobin is worth but this article is otm, perhaps the best description of french anti-semitism I've read: The Anti-Zionism of Fools

I think it's fair to say that anti-Jewish feeling in the Muslim world has long (been in large part tied to zionism, but also that these things tend to take on a life of their own. That's why you get "hitler was right," "gas the jews" etc. in protests ostensibly "just" about Palestine. It's not a new thing at this point, it just tends to reach a frothy head when Israel gets violent. And a large part of the "new anti-semitism" in Europe is coming from Muslim immigrants.

Hurting, did you read what Van Horn Street posted? According to the article, in the French protests, it's highly questionable whether 'gas the jews' were shouted as later reported, and the clashes was to a large extent caused by a confrontation with JDF, an Jewish ultra-right wing organization which in the US is classified as terrorists, but in France is being protected by police.

There's been another round of articles in Denmark on anti-semitism in immigrant neighbourhoods this week. Radio journalists walked those streets wearing a yarmulk, and was shouted at and followed around. The media was in an uproar, an local politicians extraordinarily met to discuss the problem. Contrast this with news of muslim women being attacked for wearing scarfs, which mainly caused a shrug, plus indignated right-wing politicians writing that it's their own fault since they could just take off their scarf.

Like, anti-semitism in Europe is clearly a very real and rising problem. But compared to the institutionalized anti-muslim/anti-arab opresion, and compared to the quite frankly stunning amount of vile anti-immigrant sentiment that is allowed in public discourse, it's not that big of a problem. Which does not in itself take away from the problem with anti-semitism, that other groups are more opressed, but keep in mind that a lot of reports are coming from media biased against arabs and immigrants. And is 100% used by political actors to justify discrimination and racism.

I'm familiar with the story about the JDF provocation at one particular incident, but there were a number of incidents. BTW, an interesting point in re my above post -- the now semi-famous Belgian café sign said "No Zionists" in French but "No Jews" in Turkish. I don't really understand what "muslims experience even greater discrimination in Europe" has to do with anti-Semitism. I don't think anyone should get attacked for wearing a headscarf, but it's not Jews (at least not primarily afaik), a far smaller minority than muslims in Europe, attacking muslims for wearing headscarves.

The story about 'rising tide of anti-semitism' is overreported in Europe due to anti-arab discrimination, and is in turn used by political actors to justify further anti-arab discrimination. They are intrinsically linked. Just keep that in mind when discussing it.

Like, if I seem blasé about stories of specific anti-semitic behaviour in Europe, it's often because I've seen the exact same behaviour vented against muslims, only nobody cared.

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I don't want to minimize attacks on muslims in any way, let alone encourage them, but I can't really be "blase" about attacks on Jews by muslims in order to assuage my conscience. Jews may be an overrepresented minority, but they're a very small one compared to Muslims in nearly every european country. There have already been a number of murders of Jews by extremist muslims in Europe in the last few years.