Is this anti-semitism?

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That's my local Sainsburys. The Kosher food was there when I went in 30 minutes ago.

struwwelpeter capaldi (suzy), Monday, 18 August 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link

bc they put it back or what?

Mordy, Monday, 18 August 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link

It said in the article they were putting it back. I think somebody screwed up and they knew they screwed up so they fixed it.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 18 August 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link

If they don't want to be targeted for being Jewish, maybe they should just stop being Jewish.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link

temple U! this is my fucking backyard.

Mordy, Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link

I have Jewish family in Philly AND Australia.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link

that Philly thing doesn't read like a straight-up hate crime to me, a pro-palestinian group confronted by a dude from a right-wing pro-israeli group and the fists/insults flew...? not exactly shocking.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link

idk how reliable this is. the kid who got punched is a friend of a friend:
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/temple-univ-jewish-student-punched-face-and-called-kike-anti-semitic-attack

Mordy, Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link

def an objective account there lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:30 (ten years ago) link

tbc nobody should be resorting to fists/insults. kids are stupid.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link

He is a member of the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi and a fellow with CAMERA, a right-wing pro-Israel media watchdog.

those guys are the fucking worst, i'm willing to bet that guy provoked his assailant.

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link

of course, it takes two etc.

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link

if he really wanted to provoke a response he should have just kidnapped one of them and set them on fire amirite

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link

hey a link to ben shapiro's website, that's great

goole, Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:45 (ten years ago) link

ugh Breitbart

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 August 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link

Given that the guy was a "CAMERA on Campus fellow" I have to wonder if he was provoking them at least a bit on purpose.

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Friday, 22 August 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link

Here's the *thing-I-just-can't-process-of-the-day*

http://972mag.com/nstt_feeditem/israelis-on-facebook-wish-death-for-holocaust-survivors-against-protective-edge/

Is this some kind of Sephardic-ashkenazic thing? Like do Jews from Arab countries more loudly profess their hate for Arabs and do they also have some kind of weird complex about not being of the group who went through the holocaust?

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Monday, 25 August 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link

ime, as a stereotype, sephardic jews hate arabs more than ashkenazi jews do

Mordy, Monday, 25 August 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link

where does that come from? bad relations with their neighbors prior to emigrating? Just a less politically correct/humanistic culture in general?

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Monday, 25 August 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link

idk, any explanation i gave would be speculation + it's likely overdetermined but i'm sure it has a lot to do w/ being forced to live as second class citizens in arab countries before immigration + the ultimate expulsion of sephardic jews from middle east countries

Mordy, Monday, 25 August 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link

Update 1pm IDT: Zara parent company Inditex told +972 the shirt was inspired by Classical Western films and that it is no longer available. The Israeli chapter of the company apologized more profusely, adding that it was decided to remove the offensive product from the shelves – and “exterminate” it.

Mordy, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link

idk that looks like a Sherriff's badge to me

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link

why it's on a striped shirt that is clearly not classically western in design is not clear

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link

fuck

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link

The company has a whole history of troubling shirt designs I see in that npr link

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link

i don't like everything here but i think he makes some clever points:
http://dsadevil.blogspot.co.il/2014/08/respectability-politics-and-causes-of.html

Mordy, Monday, 8 September 2014 22:23 (ten years ago) link

that post about Respectability Politics is good.

ey mk II, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 08:14 (ten years ago) link

my problem with the BDS thing is it really doesn't counter AIPAC in any meaningful way. if Americans want to divest from Israel, then we need to get our gov't to stop funneling money/weapons to Israel (something I totally support) and that means undermining AIPAC. which is about as easy as undermining the NRA (another key goal of mine)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link

i think robert fine makes some serious ideological challenges to BDS in that piece - not just practical/pragmatic ones

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link

i think AIPAC's influence might already been shrinking a bit?

my problem w/ BDS has always been that it seems more like grandstanding than an effective form of protest. which is kind of offensive from two angles.

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:21 (ten years ago) link

and as a jew i admit i'm kind of guarded and wary about some of the more heated rhetoric employed by proponents of BDS; that respectability-politics blog above (which I liked a lot) gets at some of the reasons why.

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link

huh there seem to be a bunch of articles from March about AIPAC's waning influence in light of Iran brouhaha but I kinda wonder if that reversed itself with the recent Gaza incursion. I didn't see any members of Congress bucking the AIPAC party line.

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link

the Fine thing (I haven't read it all yet btw) seems to be exclusively about academic institutions...? Academic boycotts seem inherently stupid and wrong imo.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:26 (ten years ago) link

he makes some points about discrimination based on nationality but yeah i think his point is most damning re academic boycott

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link

yeah there's been a ton of discussion about this -- i agree that academic boycotts seem counterproductive and kind of dangerous to scholarly culture.

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:33 (ten years ago) link

and, again, completely ineffectual

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:34 (ten years ago) link

it just seems so dumb. it isn't the universities that are building illegal settlements and dropping bombs.

and yeah its actual effects on intellectual discourse are inherently negative

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:35 (ten years ago) link

also i think his point about alienating allies is really stark, esp re academics + other cultural resistances who may form/join a leftist coalition.

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:35 (ten years ago) link

and as a jew i admit i'm kind of guarded and wary about some of the more heated rhetoric employed by proponents of BDS; that respectability-politics blog above (which I liked a lot) gets at some of the reasons why.

― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:22 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Me too. Theoretically I don't really oppose BDS, but I find myself in a lot of conversations (online) anyway that I don't like being in with some of its supporters. Once I feel like I'm being pinned into the "are you the right kind of Jew?" corner I don't really let my guard down easily.

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:45 (ten years ago) link

And also that post Mordy posted is on point about certain things -- the whole idea that all accusations of anti-Semitism are nothing more than a cynical smear campaign really bothers me. The Steven Salaita affair is one place where I find myself unable to really support the left line, because (1) I actually did find his tweets hateful, and (2) I think a university is entitled to be concerned about the way an academic publicly holds himself out, esp before fully hiring him (let alone giving tenure). I don't really buy that "civility" is just being used to silence all critics of Israel.

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link

i have really mixed feelings about the salaita affair. my sense is that he is being singled out a little bit, since professors elsewhere have said really awful things on social media in other contexts and haven't been fired (or in this case a job offer rescinded at the last minute). i think UI handled it poorly, and their public comment on the matter has been incredibly tin-earned at best and genuinely scary at worst. but salaita seems like an idiot firebrand. so my sort of above-it-all opinion is "a pox on both their houses." but as an academic i still don't know exactly what to think.

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link

another thought i had, which reminds me a little of the whole ward churchill affair, is why they would hire this guy in the first place given his history of asinine public comments. (churchill is obviously a whole nother kettle of fish but my sense of that whole affair was that the original sin was the university hiring him in the first place.)

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link


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