ILX Yahoo! Fantasy Baseball League 2003 -- Part 2 . . .

Is there a trade deadline, like July 31?

K-IRRITATING when people protest trades when others are willing participants, agreed.

*Do not argue with me about Baez. PH33R my baseball acumen!

Let's do it!

It offends me hstencil, because it makes me think you don't know much about baseball (or at least the fantasy kind).

Anyway, the reason why you wanna have the option to veto trades that owners agree to is cuz when an owner realizes that they are out of the running, he/she might decide to dump their best players to someone else in the league for jackshit, just to fuxor everyone else over. This has happened WAY too many times in leagues I have been in, and it's important not to let it happen here. It's fuxing frustrating!

Because it makes sense IF (and only if) its used as a procautionary measure (ie. I get fed up with my ranking at the end of the year and decide to trade A-Rod, Mulder and Halladay to Yancey for a large Coke).

As we've managed to succinctly prove in the span of ten posts, what one person thinks is a steal often isn't, and as Lawrence points out, he's already got three solid closers -> did whoever vetoed the trade take that into account?

Yo, everybody chill.

But, the veto function is for when someone is trading Vladimir Guerrero for Damien Easley, and since we all know each other -- unlike most Yahoo! leagues -- we don't really need to worry about it. The veto function is imbedded (heh) in the game so there's no way to change it, and with almost 20 teams... well, SOMEONE isn't going to like each trade. So just let them go thru. It's part of the game.

also, may i remind you that i withdrew a trade that was less unfair than either of these 2 current trades due to some protests from the managers.

I apologize for vetoing the trade, i had no idea it would render the trade inactive (this refers to the commish vote only). Please send it through again and I will okay it.

:-D

Lo Doca plays catcher, a position where in fantasy anyway, a good hitting one is invaluable. In 2001, Lo Doca went 25-90-.320, fucking awesome numbers, just a cut below Piazza (a perennial 1st round pick) and about I-Rod equal. I'm of the opinion that last year was a fluke and he'll return to form. Oh yeah, he's eligible at 1st Base as well

You guys also have to acknowledge that the current system is no good for letting all owners know about impending trades. I didn't even notice the last one, and I'd guess that there are some people in the league who haven't even logged in in a while, so it could've been more than just me or gygax! that vetoed (is it a vote tally? or will one veto nix the deal - if the latter, that's not so good) it, if vetoing is dependent only on not pressing the "approve trade" button. I didn't send a veto notice to gygax!, even tho I'd keep Biddle if he were on my team, so maybe gygax! should just go by actual emails he gets from owners?

No harm, no foul, Diamond. I was just jokin' right back at ya.

And I take umbrage at Yanc3y's claim that 1) I only post to this thread when I'm doing well and 2) that I'm not doing well. (Note: I am in denial.) Also - 3) I can't hit for shit.

And, yo, commish, I'm always here, in some form (usually corporeal, except on every other weekend, when I'm magma). What's up? (Feel free to e-mail me if it's a "sensitive" issue - cf. chronic rash, dysentery (sic again), Tourette's, etc.)

1) any PENDING trades (that is, trades accepted by both parties) are posted on your team page - it's a bit hard to catch if you're not looking for it, but it's there.

2) The commish then has first, last, and final say regarding the "fairness" of the trade, taking into consideration the hubbub the other owners raise about the trade, and whether that hubbub is justified or just hot air.

3) The commish then accepts / vetoes the trade, assuming the commish is around to do so.

3a) There should be a window of 2-3 days between the trade getting OKed by trade participants and the trade going through (barring commish involvement) to allow for debate between the owners.

The only time I've ever been involved w/ a vetoed trade was when some shit-for-brains sad sack in my keeper league decided to try & screw the top teams in the league a couple years back by trying to trade Posada & Jeter for Ass & Crap to a team competing for the top spot. Unless the lopsidedness of the trade is this blatant, however, there shouldn't be any monkeying around by the owners (cf. last year's real "trade" between the Expos & Red Sox & Marlins involving Cliff Floyd & dubious pitching prospects, which STILL doesn't make a lick of sense & is rumored to be the result of some owner/commish finagling).

I have no idea if any of this is pertinent to the debate at hand. I'm the worst vice commissioner ever.

because two managers in cahoots could be subverting the system. obv. there's no $$$ involved but what price fame and glory?

Gygax, you're still commish, right? Don't veto anymore trades.

Hey thanks chump you nice person. As explained (what I thought was clearly) above, it was an honest mistake.

But to address your concerns, I will veto trades as warranted (see commish duties), I thought that the option in the sheet above was not the same as the commish tools "prevent trade" option.

And then we can talk about each other's mommas.

Awww c'mon, I was just saying that that's a solution (not vetoing trades) to people getting their knickers twisted. Obviously you made a honest mistake. We all do, etc.

If peeps want to know about pending trades, just look on your team page every couple days. They're up at the top and you have 2 days to say something about them.

Anyway, time to remember... 'tis just a game!

Well right now I guess I also feel this way. Reality baseball GMs make trades all the time and nobody gets up in their shiznit.

It's fine that David R wants to second-guess the Biddle-Lo Duca trade and we can talk about it here the way we trash talk and debate in general, but my feeling is that it's going to be more fun a season for everyone if people don't start patronizing each other and vetoing/protesting trades because they think it's not in the other managers' best interests. It could get ugly and vindictive. I am somewhat capricious but whatever, my hottie pitchers are doing ok and it's baseball -- anything can happen -- like the Angels.

Re: the Biddle deal: I don't mind dealing Biddle to Leee because I am kicking a$$ in the pitching categories and Leee is suffering in pitching, whereas I might not deal a good pitcher to, say the Stevenson Pockets, because they are pretty strong in pitching. I imagine Leee might feel the same way about his offense and my offense. Have a heart -- I had a good day yesterday, but in general my offense is near the bottom in almost every category.

Anyway, MarKKKKKKKKK is off to another good start in the young pitchers' duel but what is he doing walking Vasquez? That's nuts!

Reality GMs have owners that will fire their asses for even imagining being on the short end of an unfair trade.

your bvlgari watch for my casio?

Welovesthe ssstrikeoutsss, the precioussss . . . .

As I said before, I would field a team of all pitchers if I could. I like NL rules! I love the double switch! The best is when they put the situational lefty in the outfield so they can bring him back and then someone hits the ball out there at him, ha ha! Or when they run out of players and they bring in Greg Maddux to pinch hit. Pitcher humor! Ha! Ha!

dusty baker loves to ph batters, f. hope you get some of that.

Yanc3y, your Keith Foulke looked good yesterday. What do you call that pitch he has? A throw-ball?