Which "Class of '99" major American filmmaker has most flagrantly sold out to awards-baiting?

Benjamin Button at the very least had 4 or 5 good minutes with Tilda Swinton.

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Fincher a weird choice for "class of 1999" as he'd already made his best movie, The Game, two years earlier

ban "awards bait" forever since you ppl either don't know what it is, or that when done right it's a good thing.

hey eephus! Fincher himself recently pointed out that The Game is shit.

ban "awards bait" forever since you ppl either don't know what it is, or that when done right it's a good thing.

― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius)

did you forget your bifocals this morning?

I think you know the difference between desperation and craft.

At the time, few thought The Game was that great.

As I alluded upthread, Black Swan was both awards bait and pretty damned great.

hey eephus! Fincher himself recently pointed out that The Game is shit.

― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

who the hell cares what he thinks?

I need to rewatch Black Swan, is what I'm getting from this thread

also, Magnolia is Anderson's worst film

I loved Black Swan, but I don't think it was baiting for awards? Body horror, lesbian romance, complete focus on women and "women's issues", that doesn't sound like the stuff the big awards favour?

It's "awards bait" only in the sense that What Ever Happened To Baby Jane? was.

considering many of you ppl see everything that gets nominated for the Golden Doorstops, you have a mysterious contempt for them.

considering how you read everything we write, you have a mysterious contempt for us

Elegant thrillers like Black Swan, Silence Of The Lambs, perhaps Gone Girl, are more awards-friendly (in slow years for awards bait) than awards-bait

Isn't that what you're supposed to do, Mr.Critic?

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awards-bait imo implies movies whose primary reason for existing is to hand an award to it, so while a genre thriller can have middlebrow trappings, its goal outside of getting a trophy is right there its name. thriller.

Alfred, fuck no, i make it a point to always miss some fucking shit that's "important"

also if only i had never been a fucking critic, what a waste of 7 years that was (i never tire of saying it)

Whatever, y'all. I like Forrest Gump and nobody's gonna change my mind.

― Johnny Fever

I feel exactly this way about Life Acquatic.

The Davids are the only two who have significantly compromised their orginal MOs, really. Anderson (PT) is getting weirder, if anything. Dunno if the strange beast that is TWBB would've got as much Oscar attention if it hadn't had Day Lewis in it.

not really sure how fincher compromised his original MO. Directed shiny videos both heavily indebted to classic works and zeitgeisty, makes shiny movies both heavily indebted to classic works and zeitgeisty.

granted i haven't seen alien 3

fyi voting russell for going back to harvey weinstein after he said he wouldn't

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well that was a fun read

i liked the part about magnolia being worse than hitler

obv orussell

about as close to objective truth as possible here

Martin Scorsese wins class of '69.

Eric and Alfred, why do you hate There Will Be Blood?

I don't hate it but it's a stiff, underwritten movie with one gargoyle at its center whom we're stuck with for two and a half hours.

I had to wait too long for there to be blood.

There Will Be Blood… Any Minute Now… Just Hang On… Coming Soon… Wait For The Blood… You Won't Be Disappointed, Promise…

Instead of blood, we got this damn milkshake.

oh, Eric

They might as well have called it There Will Be Credits.

at least it was Paul Dano's blood

Based on that post, you really ought to clear a spot on your calendar to see Prisoners if you haven't already, Morbs.

i'll wait a couple years for a Killing Paul Dano clipfest on YT

i hate paul dano

didn't like PTA's two big breakthroughs much, but he's been on the upswing with the last 3 features.

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Please sell out, Wes Anderson, a.s.a.p.

Wes got a Globe.

Wes got his Golden Globe tonight (alongside Linklater, who I'd put in the same cohort).

Jason Schwartzman as Bond.

(Or Ethan Hawke, if it's Linklater.)

clemenza. I don't get your warpath on Wes Anderson. I haven't seen his latest, but....I think Moonrise Kingdom brought girl-magical-thinking to the forefront, along with the boy-magical-thinking he has specialized in from the beginning. This was a real breakthrough.

And "Fox" was a proper kids movie, a nicely animated one at that, an effectively funny, well-put-together kids movie that appealed to actual children. Kids Movies Never Die. In other words, Wes Anderson has hardly stayed in the same little box theater setting all this time. I think he is progressing nicely and I hope he will continue to make his little, but ever bigger, movies.

By the way, Zissou was last decade's Big Lebowski: badly received movie that immediately followed the well-received movie (Fargo; Royal Tenenbaums). Attacked for the exact same reasons: indulgent, insular, smug, aimed at the intolerably knowing insiders --- rather than the goodhearted, salt of the earth, properly-demanding-of-sensible-entertainment citizens daily reviewers imagine themselves nobly uplifting & guiding to higher cinematic appreciation.

So yeah, Zissou was a blast, always, so a decade later we get ultra-nerdy articles such as this. http://mentalfloss.com/article/60795/32-facts-about-life-aquatic-steve-zissou

If the movie was such an obvious turkey, why any interest a decade later? Same question resounds with Lebowski, except critics have quietly decided to pretend they were into it from the beginning. But I was paying attention: Lebowski was HATED when it came out.

Wes Anderson has become a great litmus test for whether I'm interested in someone's opinions on cinema. When people say he's all style and no substance I just think they're not paying attention.

there is literally a clickbait listicle like that for every movie ever. it doesn't mean anything and zissou's cultural weight hasn't increased since its release imo. it had its fans and then they grew up and became accountants and it never got a second wind like lebowski

xp I think it's possible to have gone cold on Anderson and still have "valid opinions" about cinema?

What is the opposite of entitlement?

Darjeeling was kind of his last daddy-issue-centered film, which he needed to stop doing. Still mining that a bit (both the kid in Moonrise and the bellhop in Budapest, with Willis and Fiennes respectively) but it's better integrated into the whole film.

def daddy issues in Mr. Fox!

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yes, but dome more cleverly, not HERE ARE MY DADDY ISSUES

take that pic to the Teal & Orange thread.