like you my pulse goes way up when i even think about blackwater much less read about
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 20:29 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, let's just leave it to the local hospitals, they've read the memo, what's the worst that could happen:
http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/presbyterian-workers-wore-no-protective-gear-for-two-days-while-treating-ebola-patient.html/?hootPostID=c7c473e639ad2859ea04ad2773012ff1
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link
the comments on that are just grotesque. what is wrong with people?
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link
hazmat suits are not recommended when treating patients with ebola, fyi
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:38 (nine years ago) link
thoughts from Andrew WK
― rip van wanko, Thursday, 16 October 2014 00:17 (nine years ago) link
CNN and CBS both report that Vinson called the CDC "several times" before her flight Monday and complained of a 99.5 degree fever. But according to CBS, they told her she could fly because her temperature was under the 100.4 "high risk" level.
So she felt bad enough to call them several times, and knew she had a fever, but they're all, like, nah, that's cool, just take the flight, what's the worst that can happen, that you have ebola? Nah, that's dumb, where in the world would you catch ebola?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 October 2014 01:24 (nine years ago) link
did she have other symptoms? because 99.5 isn't really a fever. not a huge shock they wouldn't prohibit her from traveling with that. tho obv extra caution may have been warranted
― k3vin k., Thursday, 16 October 2014 02:12 (nine years ago) link
idk, I hate to armchair qb disease experts, but why not just wait until the typical incubation period is over? Cuz if she doesn't start showing symptoms til she gets to another city, now you've got a potential outbreak in a second city.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 October 2014 02:19 (nine years ago) link
Looks like dallas county is going to legally bar any healthcare workers who care for an Ebola patient to travel
― Clay, Thursday, 16 October 2014 02:24 (nine years ago) link
30,000 gun deaths per year vs. ebola. lol @ usa
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 16 October 2014 02:27 (nine years ago) link
The WHO has pushed the incubation period out to 42 days.
Recent studies conducted in West Africa have demonstrated that 95% of confirmed cases have an incubation period in the range of 1 to 21 days; 98% have an incubation period that falls within the 1 to 42 day interval.
― TTAGGGTTAGGG (Sanpaku), Thursday, 16 October 2014 02:27 (nine years ago) link
People understand guns; they accept them.
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 October 2014 02:32 (nine years ago) link
With all due respect to gun deaths, they don't have the potential to grow exponentially. I mean I think an epidemic here is unlikely, but there is real reason for concern.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 October 2014 02:34 (nine years ago) link
http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/dallas-county-to-discuss-requesting-an-emergency-declaration-from-the-state-because-of-ebola.html/
this shit could stop getting so real any time now. i have a pretty busy rest of october on so if ebola could just chill OK that'd be dope.
― i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Thursday, 16 October 2014 02:43 (nine years ago) link
dunno that pete townsend is the first guy i'd seek out for public-health advice, but that's just me.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 16 October 2014 03:05 (nine years ago) link
really lookin fwd to my 2 weeks in a big-city hospital this winter.
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 October 2014 03:22 (nine years ago) link
One thing few people know about is the far reaching power of public health authorities to issue enforceable edicts concerning quarantines and the banning of public gatherings when a pandemic disease threatens whole communities. Most of the laws authorizing these powers have lain unused in western nations since roughly 1920. They still exist, if needed. If they are imposed, we need to cooperate with them.
― Aimless, Thursday, 16 October 2014 03:30 (nine years ago) link
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:19 PM (1 hour ago)
there's a difficult balance to be struck in public health situations like these between being overly safe (dozens of people with any contact with duncan being forbidden to leave their house for 3 weeks) and allowing people to live their lives somewhat normally. it comes with difficult calls. technically 99.5 is not a fever; of course in hindsight the CDC probably wishes it were more cautious, but sometimes the wrong call is made. from what i've read, it doesn't seem like an egregious error. (compared with, say, the hospital discharging duncan originally, given his symptoms and travel history)
― k3vin k., Thursday, 16 October 2014 03:50 (nine years ago) link
i fear we're fast becoming a nation of armchair quarterbacks
― the late great, Thursday, 16 October 2014 04:17 (nine years ago) link
Do public gatherings even occur anymore? I thought we all just sat in front of computers all day.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 October 2014 04:26 (nine years ago) link
Ebola is all "Yeah! I'm finally here in the U-S-of-A! Party land! Where's the party at?! Party?! Helloooooooo?!"
― the late great, Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:17 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I feel you, but reading that Dallas news article it's kind of stunning how poorly this was handled
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 16 October 2014 04:52 (nine years ago) link
yeah and the magnitude of the mistakes seems to be escalating, somehow
― the late great, Thursday, 16 October 2014 05:11 (nine years ago) link
I'm actually quite surprised that no "is it a coincidence that Liberia and Liberal share so many letters?" questions have been asked yet.
― StanM, Thursday, 16 October 2014 05:40 (nine years ago) link
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-nigeria-stopped-ebola-2014-10
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 16 October 2014 05:46 (nine years ago) link
stanm you haven't been reading the fox news comments
― the late great, Thursday, 16 October 2014 05:52 (nine years ago) link
I don't think it's armchair quarterbacking to complain about the fundamental mishandling of something that has the potential to adversely affect hundreds of people, and possibly kill some of them. It's been pointed out that there is no reason either of the Texas nurses should have contracted ebola. The fact that one of them, a trained medical professional with an understanding of the situation who of her own volition called the CDC several times to complain of potential symptoms and still got the go ahead to travel is mind boggling to me. Whatever happened to an abundance of caution?
That Nigeria article right above gets it right: containment, and an overabundance of caution. "During this contact tracing process, officials made a staggering 18,500 face-to-face visits." And that's Nigeria, which does not have the reputation of running things right. But here in the US, a nurse exposed to ebola concerned enough to call the friggin CDC gets the OK to fly. Again, just to stress: you can quibble that 99.5 is not a real fever, but it is enough to make you feel off, enough so that she knew, was worried, and yet was reassured that she was fine. I'm amazed she didn't second guess the advice and stay home, just in case.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 October 2014 12:12 (nine years ago) link
I promise I won't make a Facebook macro out of this, but it says something when you can't bring baby milk on board a plane, but Ebola? Sure, why not.
― pplains, Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:40 (nine years ago) link
Well, as long as you drink the baby milk and prove it's safe, it's OK to bring on board. Same with ebola. As long as you're only showing the start of ebola, it's cool, as long as you get where you're going before you start vomiting and bleeding from your eyes.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link
Cleveland people are already sharing a version of the "Bad News Brian" meme with the captioning "BROWNS START WINNING - CLEVELAND GETS EBOLA." Even though, you know, *nobody in Cleveland has Ebola.*
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:58 (nine years ago) link
Nobody in Cleveland has EbolaNo Murray the K or payolaIt all might be dire,like a river on fire,But we haven't been the same since Lou Groza.
― pplains, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:10 (nine years ago) link
CLEVELAND - Police say a 60-year-old man was arrested at the Cleveland Horseshoe Casino for inducing a panic.
When he went to cash out, he said his wife was a nurse who had returned from West Africa and contracted Ebola.
As a precaution, the casino immediately shut down the pit where the man had been.
He was later arrested at home. No other information is available at this time.
The Ohio Gaming Commission is handling the report.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/60-year-old-man-arrested-at-cleveland-horseshoe-casino-for-inducing-panic-after-ebola-remarks
ED. NOTE - WAS HE ARRESTED AT HOME AT THE CASINO?
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:35 (nine years ago) link
Maybe he was arrested twice? Once for inducing a panic, the other for fleeing the scene of a panic?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
one of the lesser known side effects of ebola is being arrested extra
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
from the looks of the case of the nurse who was infected in Spain, "austerity" budget cutbacks were at least partly responsible.
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/279361722.html
Naturally, Breitbart ran with the airborne ebola story.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/us/lax-us-guidelines-on-ebola-led-to-poor-hospital-training-experts-say.html?referrer=
looks like the CDC will be updating its guidelines
― k3vin k., Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:39 (nine years ago) link
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/us/lax-us-guidelines-on-ebola-led-to-poor-hospital-training-any-idiot-with-half-a-brain-already-assumed-but-glad-the-CDC-is-finally-taking-this-seriously-anyway.html?referrer=
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:47 (nine years ago) link
oh did my link not work?
i really feel for frieden, who is a great scientist, if maybe not the best at press conferences and saying the right thing in public. hopefully the hysteria will subside soon
― k3vin k., Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link
Really good article/summary here, from a doctor involved in the African response: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n20/paul-farmer/diary
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Friday, 17 October 2014 02:00 (nine years ago) link
Not just any doctor, Paul Farmer! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Farmer
― o. nate, Friday, 17 October 2014 03:22 (nine years ago) link
Texas Health Worker Who May Have Handled Ebola Specimen Is On a Cruise
these texas health workers are real jetsetters, if it weren't for the ebola i'd be jealous of them.
― you little affront to god (reddening), Friday, 17 October 2014 14:21 (nine years ago) link
Ebola "czar" on the way for US, this should be "fun"
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 October 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link
Just found out last night that my girlfriend's brother is the point man for ebola preparation at one of the hospitals most likely to become the ebola treatment center in the Chicago area. I don't know that I have any more reason to be nervous than I did before, but I'm definitely more nervous than I was before.
― What Lies Behind The Beehive? (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link
well, that one's easy. just refrain from all contact with your girlfriend or her brother!
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 17 October 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSAXkp9cqbk
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 October 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
The guy in this article is my new hero:
Peter Pattakos spent 20 minutes Saturday in an Akron bridal shop, getting fitted for a tux for his friend's wedding. Thursday, his friend sent a text message, telling him that Ebola patient Amber Joy Vinson had been in the store around the same time."I thought, 'Oh, that's interesting,'" Pattakos said in a telephone interview Friday. . . . "I didn't exchange any bodily fluids with anyone, so I'm not worried about it," he said. "I'm much more likely to be mistakenly killed by a police officer in this country than to be killed by Ebola, even if you were in the same bridal shop."
"I thought, 'Oh, that's interesting,'" Pattakos said in a telephone interview Friday.
. . . "I didn't exchange any bodily fluids with anyone, so I'm not worried about it," he said. "I'm much more likely to be mistakenly killed by a police officer in this country than to be killed by Ebola, even if you were in the same bridal shop."
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Friday, 17 October 2014 16:08 (nine years ago) link
"mistakenly"
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 17 October 2014 16:11 (nine years ago) link
also:
"I wish people would freak out this much about climate change," he said. "It's one of those problems that's real easy for the media to cover, rather than some of those other problems that people should be more concerned with."
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 17 October 2014 16:12 (nine years ago) link
New hero
― i blow goat farts, aka garts for a living (waterface), Friday, 17 October 2014 16:15 (nine years ago) link