yep, it's all good
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link
One of the chief concerns with US pol power plays is that it could affect the movement of med personnel to West Africa, Stan.
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link
http://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html
― hunangarage, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link
cuomo is so hateful
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 03:40 (nine years ago) link
why don't we quarantine the politicians amirite?
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:40 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
x 1000
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 03:49 (nine years ago) link
This strikes me as sensible commentary:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-10-28/what-science-can-t-tell-you-about-ebola
― o. nate, Thursday, 30 October 2014 01:47 (nine years ago) link
finally, a layperson with ideas about public health
― k3vin k., Thursday, 30 October 2014 03:07 (nine years ago) link
ha ha
― schlump, Thursday, 30 October 2014 03:14 (nine years ago) link
o. nate otm.
kev strangely overlooks the fact that, in the commentary o nate linked, the author repeatedly stresses that he agrees with kev's position. he just says that the tenor of kev's arguments in favor of his position are kind of simplistic and a bit stupid. did I mention that the author agreed with kev's position? because he did. repeatedly.
― oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Thursday, 30 October 2014 04:04 (nine years ago) link
yeah I thought it was a good piece, seemed spot on
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 October 2014 04:09 (nine years ago) link
Where I disagree is that "the science" doesn't argue *against* mandatory quarantines, it just doesn't support them. However, public health expertise, an understanding of what's most important and useful in stopping this epidemic, does argue against it. It's not "trust the numbers, you dumdums" it's "trust our greater understanding and experience in dealing with these crises as a whole."
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link
I mean if his argument is that the narrative of "panicky folk against science" is stupid then yeah, totally, because all simplistic narratives of news events are stupid as fuck. The way news is reported is mostly stupid. All the time. We all know this.
As a matter of fact I might mostly agree with this piece but it has a crappy headline. Omg am I ~part of the problem~?
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link
I just think a lot of the "it's the science" dismissals are a little too glib and tend to talk past the concerns people are actually raising. Like over and over again I just see the same thing repeated "You can only get Ebola from contact with bodily fluids of a symptomatic person." Ok, but it's very easy to think of scenarios where a person might become symptomatic before they make it to a hospital, after which some other person might become exposed to their bodily fluids. Not to mention that the disease can survive for a decent amount of time on surfaces after bodily fluids touch them -- I realize this doesn't mean I'm going to get Ebola from the fact that a guy with mild symptoms touched a subway pole or bowling ball with his vaguely sweaty hand, but if a slightly more symptomatic person vomited on a crowded subway, that could most certainly infect others. If the argument is that the harm of a quarantine for medical workers who have been close to the disease outweighs the benefit, that's fair, but don't tell me there's "no reason whatsoever" to do it because of "the science," because I'm not fucking stupid and I can clearly see that there are at least vaguely arguable reasons to do it.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link
Non-quarantine also requires absolute trust in individuals' self-monitoring and self-reporting willingness and capacity.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
if a slightly more symptomatic person vomited on a crowded subway, that could most certainly infect others.
I mean I guess if they rubbed it into their open sores.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
Or if it got on someone's hands and they shortly thereafter touched their eyes or mouth
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
Like people are talking about it as though it's communicable in exactly the same ways as HIV, and no more. That's not the case.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:14 (nine years ago) link
Because if you got SOMEONE ELSE'S VOMIT on your hands obviously the first thing to do is put your hands in your mouth. Oh you meant without knowing it, like you touched their vomit residue on the seat (or floor because you rubbed your hands on the floor?) a few hours later assuming an MTA employee cleaned it up badly without using a disinfectant product, well luckily the virus doesn't survive more than a few hours on hard surfaces so
Sure there are scenarios where it could happen but the probability is SO LOW under normal conditions much less with people on alert and washing their hands more/using sanitizer/whatever.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link
posted in the world music thread but:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruYQY6z3mV8http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/29/how-to-protect-yourself-from-ebola-in-song/
The song, which was written by Kandia Kora and Sekou Kouyaté, both of whom are among the performers, is based on ideas and lyrics sketched out by Carlos Chirinos, a professor at New York University who specializes in music, radio and social change. It runs about five and a half minutes, and is packed with warnings (not to touch the bodies of the sick or the dead, to avoid shaking hands) and encouragements (trust doctors, wash your hands).
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
I think we'll get a much better view of just how infectious this strain of ebola is following the 82 exposed to [Mali's patient zero](http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/28/us-health-ebola-who-mali-idUSKBN0IH0SW20141028) during a bus ride on Oct. 20, or during subsequent medical care. Among the fellow riders, it may be the (experimentally) cleanest exposure record to date.
― TTAGGGTTAGGG (Sanpaku), Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
I am pretty sure that none of the highly trained medical practitioners who have contracted ebola had been rubbing infected vomit into open sores on their skin. Yet somehow, against all probability, they contracted the disease anyway. This suggests to me that there might be other less avoidable avenues of transmission than vomit rubbed into open sores.
― oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
From this very thread: i think it's key that if you're around a patient in the worst stages of the disease—as health-care workers are going to be—they are emitting lots of fluids, and those fluids are likely to contain the ebola virus.
it probably seems like it's more contagious than it actually is since we don't read news stories about the 100s of medical professionals working in west africa who don't get ebola.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, October 27, 2014 8:27 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:08 (nine years ago) link
Africa is full of overcrowded public transport — buses, minivans and some trains. There are no known instances of transmission in those environments. On July 20, a dying Liberian-American flew to Nigeria and was vomiting on the plane. All 200 people aboard were monitored; none fell ill.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/ebola-ask-well-spread-public-transit/
― schlump, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:21 (nine years ago) link
So, what you are trying to say here is that rubbing infected vomit into open sores is the only known method of ebola transmission? Or are you still only saying that the probablility of contracting ebola through proximity to infected vomit is fairly low, because I acknowledge that. I also acknowledge that the very best way to prevent the spread of an infectious disease is to reduce the reservoir of infected individuals as much as possible, which means that Africa is where 99.5% of the effort needs to be concentrated.
But, it would be nice if someone would clearly explain how those very few medical practitioners, who knew they are being exposed to live ebola virus and who were using best-practice protective measures, managed to contract it anyway. Because I am fairly sure that these low-probability cases represent an avenue of infection that a) exists and b) is difficult to prevent 100% of the time through the prescribed protective measures.
You can't just hand wave away these cases and insist that 'you can't get ebola unless you're extraordinarily careless or stupid.' These cases prove that contention is false.
― oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:38 (nine years ago) link
the point is those doctors/nurses were directly treating people who were in final stages of the disease producing huge amounts of fluids, exponentially greater risk for infecting others and those are not the kind of people who can sneak out to Williamsburg on the subway to go bowling they will be p much incapacitated already
― anonanon, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link
IDK, I like to get a little incapacitated when I go to Brooklyn Bowl too
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link
― anonanon, Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nyer piece - last week? week before? - was strong on detailing the conditions in overwhelmed clinics; otm
― schlump, Thursday, 30 October 2014 20:08 (nine years ago) link
OMG! Breaking news!
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/maine-pizzeria-awaits-nod-police-deliver-pizza-ebola/story?id=26574508
Stay tuned for our panel discussion with 3 noted pizza experts an a 6-page thinkpiece in our weekend edition.
― StanM, Friday, 31 October 2014 07:22 (nine years ago) link
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2014/11/02/potential-ebola-patient-being-tested-at-duke-results-monday-morning/2/
The Associated Press and other press outlets have agreed not to report on suspected cases of Ebola in the United States until a positive viral RNA test is completed.
Even though widespread panic gets them all those nice clicks they like so much?
― StanM, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 04:43 (nine years ago) link
want to share a couple of articles i've read over the past couple of days that i think were very strong
there's this from the NYT, which only mentions ebola as a means of illustrating the larger point of the way the public misperceives health threats and the deleterious effects on policy this can have, but is a very good read. the author cites and links to some of the work of lisa rosenbaum, who writes the clearest, most insightful stuff on the human side of medicine this side of atul gawande
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/emotion-is-not-the-best-medicine-ebola-case-further-shows/?ref=health
then there's this (free) essay in the new england journal of medicine, written by a couple of HIV/AIDS activists, describing their reaction to the ebola hysteria. i wasn't around for most of the worst of the AIDS scare firsthand, but the ugliness of that time is one of the first things i think about when i see some of the more troubling responses to ebola's arrival in america
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1413425?query=TOC#t=article
― k3vin k., Friday, 7 November 2014 04:44 (nine years ago) link
hey so what happened? haven't heard a peep about EBOLA since, oh, last Tuesday.
― sexxx attic (will), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:27 (nine years ago) link
everybody got sick and died
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link
it's just ~so weird~
― sexxx attic (will), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:29 (nine years ago) link
you can still panic if you want to
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:29 (nine years ago) link
Crap, now my Ebola commemorative plates are as worthless as my Franklin Mint Benghazi Coins and my Ground Zero Mosque pewter figurine chess set.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link
sounds like things aren't going well in Mali right now, but I guess it doesn't matter since no one in the US is sick
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:36 (nine years ago) link
Death toll has passed the 5000 mark.
― how's life, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:41 (nine years ago) link
yeah pardon my glibness upthread. the media's boredom w/ ebola in the last 7 days is offensive on multiple levels.
― sexxx attic (will), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link
white people etc
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:47 (nine years ago) link
alas no surprise. Dr Spenser's press conference in NY seemed to come off well tho (except for de Blasio comparing the health workers to the US military cuz you know "HELPING" PEOPLE).
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
They're just deliberately avoiding unnecessary panic by not turning every suspected case into a headline. Which is a good thing + food for the conspiracy crowd simultaneously, I suppose.
― StanM, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:07 (nine years ago) link
World Health Organization trials show new Ebola vaccine to be highly effective
― Lee626, Friday, 31 July 2015 12:24 (nine years ago) link
it's over!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35308743
― goole, Thursday, 14 January 2016 18:24 (eight years ago) link
maybe not...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/15/ebola-case-reported-in-sierra-leone-one-day-after-who-declared-the-outbreak-over/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_ebola-920am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
― sleeve, Friday, 15 January 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
they were pretty straightforward about the fact that they expected some recidivism
― Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 January 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
great roundup from huffington post here
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ebola-panic-us_us_56fabbd7e4b014d3fe243d86?n4h5rzyr8vs6mvx6r
― goole, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 19:29 (eight years ago) link
Anthrax making another comeback:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/scientists-warn-anthrax-just-one-threat-as-russian-permafrost-m/7720362
Ice-age diseases potentially to follow.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 11 August 2016 11:07 (eight years ago) link
this seems scary: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/19/asia/china-coronavirus-spike-intl-hnk/index.html
― JoeStork, Monday, 20 January 2020 21:03 (four years ago) link
We all gonna die and no one gives a fuck?
― nostormo, Friday, 24 January 2020 20:32 (four years ago) link