ames has written some first-rate stuff about the history of the nsa and john dolan is consistently great. but i kinda gave up checking back on that site more than once a month because of their obsession with discrediting greenwald and co. feels like a microcosm of the condition of the u.s. left -- two factions who basically agree with each other on almost everything but can't stand each other for reasons so convoluted even regular readers can't understand them. would still take either pando or intercept over counterpunch, which has totally gone off the rails, seems like half the ppl writing for them are militia-nut libertarians.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:04 (eleven years ago)
& pando has Thiel money, is that right? So their position is… 'we take libertarian billionaire money but we're upfront about it, and we're critical of our billionaire sometimes?'
― woof, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:15 (eleven years ago)
counterpunch still has the most journos i can trust.
ames just seems to overpromise his stunning revelations and rarely pays off, so now i don't feel he's worth the effort.
pando is hardly 'left' in any sense. its a silicon-valley libertarian-leaning insular trade-mag for the startup scene. basically a next gen wall st journal for the sf tech scene.
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:27 (eleven years ago)
That Silicon Valley strain of young plutocrats is gonna become its own mini Koch propaganda industry.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:38 (eleven years ago)
Pando hasn't taken any money from Thiel in a while and have said there was always a clear understanding that investment could not buy editorial influence, though they have come down hard on people with more tangential links to billionaires than that.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:05 (eleven years ago)
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/30/inside-story-matt-taibbis-departure-first-look-media
― mookieproof, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:18 (eleven years ago)
^^ what a mess
― Amory Blaine, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:41 (eleven years ago)
Yep. It was pretty much sold as a hands-off project for Omidyar at the start but spending a quarter of a billion dollars to let Matt Taibbi write what he wanted never exactly added up.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:44 (eleven years ago)
I applaud the Intercepts transparency about all this, but do wonder if Omidyar won't just pull the plug soon because of all this.
I don't know a lot about the man, but seeing to taxi receipts etc when you injected $ 250 million into a new media company... I don't know. Is he that bored?
― Amory Blaine, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:46 (eleven years ago)
who would have guessed that taibbi would be hard to work for, total shock
― polyphonic, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:47 (eleven years ago)
Here's a relevant blast from the past:
http://observer.com/2000/06/from-russia-with-lust/
― polyphonic, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:50 (eleven years ago)
letting taibbi write what he wanted is one thing, but -- at least given his public persona -- making him a manager seems like a poor decision by both sides
also, a lede somewhat buried:
These simmering problems came to a head this month when a Racket staffer complained to senior management that Taibbi had been verbally abusive and unprofessionally hostile, and that she felt the conduct may have been motivated, at least in part, by her gender.
― mookieproof, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:50 (eleven years ago)
No question Taibbi is difficult to work with probably, but the same probably goes for Greenwald and more Intercepters. What I find remarkable is that they use Taibbi's departure to openly criticize Omidyar, and they're not trying to do it subtly either.
― Amory Blaine, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:52 (eleven years ago)
I have to say that as much as I love Taibbi's writing, it would not surprise me at all to discover the complaint had merit.
― Simon H., Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:52 (eleven years ago)
XXp that is indeed somewhat buried
― Amory Blaine, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:53 (eleven years ago)
Wonder if Jay Rosen jumped ship at First Look because of this too. He left a couple of weeks ago, supposedly because there was "nothing to do" for him.
― Amory Blaine, Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:55 (eleven years ago)
The Intercept piece is positioning it as a dispute over corporate culture rather than a far more damaging issue of editorial interference.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 30 October 2014 20:50 (eleven years ago)
well sure but what it doesn't say is that the colleagues that matt was abusing were CIA plants
― Mordy, Thursday, 30 October 2014 20:51 (eleven years ago)
just skipped to p4reene's endnote
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 October 2014 21:06 (eleven years ago)
the strange death of liberal bloggers
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 October 2014 21:11 (eleven years ago)
On a Saturday night in May, Mark Ames and Matt Taibbi were drinking Pepsi and smoking American Spirits in a one-bedroom apartment in a high-rise near Times Square. They took turns leaning over a plastic compact disc case, snorting lines of speed.
― hunangarage, Thursday, 30 October 2014 21:18 (eleven years ago)
i enjoy reading taibbi but no fucking way would i enjoy working with much less for him
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 31 October 2014 04:24 (eleven years ago)
can't tell if this was a d-bag move by Greenwald et. al. putting out all this stuff about Taibbi and making themselves look like the reasonable good kids, or that they knew First Look would leak the accusations against Taibbi and wanted to get in first with a more accurate version of events.
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Friday, 31 October 2014 12:18 (eleven years ago)
There's going to be an NY Mag 'expose' over the weekend, aiui, and this is getting their side of the story out first.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Friday, 31 October 2014 12:21 (eleven years ago)
well hey this has kept taibbi and pareene quiet in the run-up to the 2014 midterms -- good show, pierre!
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 31 October 2014 13:14 (eleven years ago)
cld tell this thing was gonna be a shit show by how they were calling it a "digital magazine"
― lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2014 13:46 (eleven years ago)
A "digital magazine" sounds like a place you'd go to read articles about Atari Teenage Riot
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Friday, 31 October 2014 14:15 (eleven years ago)
amazing how lingo tells you guys everything you need to know
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 October 2014 14:15 (eleven years ago)
sorta like "Hope" i guess
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 October 2014 14:16 (eleven years ago)
wld hope so
― lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2014 14:19 (eleven years ago)
now you reminded me of hope partlow!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9qBziX7ugc
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Friday, 31 October 2014 14:38 (eleven years ago)
@pareene A person had an issue with Matt. That person is in no way responsible for this outcome. Competent management would've resolved it easily.
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:51 (eleven years ago)
@pareeneFinally, I want to make one thing clear: Actually this is about ethics in games journalism
― Bringing the mosh (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:55 (eleven years ago)
curious how taibbi/pareene are going to cover the republican congress
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:57 (eleven years ago)
with a fire blanket
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:58 (eleven years ago)
sounds to me like First Look decided to put all their eggs in the Intercept basket and found some reasons to push Taibbi out
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:59 (eleven years ago)
burning hot take
― lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:00 (eleven years ago)
oh thanks! where can I pick up my ILE Pulitzer?
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Friday, 31 October 2014 19:06 (eleven years ago)
just click the flag post link next to yr name
― lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:08 (eleven years ago)
My name is not Permalink
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Friday, 31 October 2014 19:10 (eleven years ago)
wow rude
― lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:12 (eleven years ago)
and bucket of water hopefully
― Brocktoon Tanuki (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 November 2014 03:13 (eleven years ago)
and . . . he's back!
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/oct/31/matt-taibbi-rolling-stone-first-look-media
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 1 November 2014 23:57 (eleven years ago)
http://racketteen.tumblr.com
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:08 (ten years ago)
Vanity Fair's Sarah Ellison:
Confirmed. @johnjcook leaving @intercept to return to @Gawker. Please DM or email me any news or tips.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:04 (ten years ago)
huh wow this shit goin down in flame
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:18 (ten years ago)
oof going back to gawker. situation must be real bad.
― Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:20 (ten years ago)
gawker traded max to first look for cook. max is going to be greenwald's handler now.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:20 (ten years ago)
responsibilities: walk dogs, find/invent blogging software that limits the number/length of updates
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:21 (ten years ago)
...shop for flip-flops and cargo shorts
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:22 (ten years ago)