Star Wars 7 shit talk

first star trek was cool. second was laaaaaaame. so I'm glad that jj will be cut off after 7.

isn't RT supposed to chime in, why all this enthusiasm

I can imagine this new one being just as competent and just as stupid as his "Star Trek" films. It's some miracle that the cast and effects and general construction of the original "Star Wars" movie allowed it to surmount its innately corny origins (which, of course, in embarrassing pre-edited/spiffed up FX form made people think it was destined to flop). These new ones, I know they will look great and be technically perfect, but today's blockbuster dudes have real problems with the scripts. It's like they've forgotten how to tell stories, or rather, their stories have become so overly ambitious despite their generally shallow substance that they totally fall apart once the destructive inevitability of the contemporary H'wood by corporate committee process kicks in. I can only imagine how much of a mess the Marvel movies would be if they did not have decades of comics canon to draw on. At least Lucas, surprisingly savvy, was straightforward that his prequels (which he produced independently, no less) were kids flicks meant to jumpstart a new generation of fans (which I think worked). But these "Star Wars" films on the other hand are a tougher task liable to satisfy no one even if the end product is totally satisfying and lucrative. They have to tie to old mythology, add new mythology, entertain kids and fulfill the hopes of the faithful all at once. That doesn't give them much room to move other than right toward the middle.

feeling deep shame over how nervous that triple/hilt light saber is making me feel

like, for as wonderful and promising the rest of the trailer looks, that is some fucked up shit.

sidebar: if anyone is interested, greg proops talks about his experience as the podrace announcer in Phantom Menace on matt gourley's new podcast, it's kind of a neat conversation

http://feeds.feedburner.com/IWasThereToo

the hilt lighsaber looked so crappy I feel like there almost has to be a reason it looked crappy, like it's either some kind of bootleg home modification or it's just that the effect hasn't been finalized in post-production.

Incidentally, I keep chuckling at the mental image of a dark side jedi who talks like adam driver

the hilt lightsaber looked so good. i hope they run the whole goddamn movie through a 'hilt lightsaber' filter.

if Adam Driver kills Mark Hamill this will be the best Star Wars ever

(Hurting you do know that Driver has done Shaw on the NY stage, right? he may not sound like JE Jones, but no one does.)

Saddest part about Adam Driver in Star Wars is i'm 99% sure he won't be naked :(

what are you talking about star wars is famous for its erotic tableaux

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071016095649/starwars/nl/images/1/13/Luke_Bacta.jpg

hee hee

hamilltube.com

why god

The only hope is that JJ 'hi I'm director JJ abrams' Abrams might just be stupid enough to pull this off

the hilt lighsaber looked so crappy I feel like there almost has to be a reason it looked crappy, like it's either some kind of bootleg home modification or it's just that the effect hasn't been finalized in post-production.

I think def the first, the hilts look like oil well fires, the main blade is arcing.

I'm generally enthusiastic about this - worth remembering that this isn't 1:30 of random footage, it's specifically chosen to say "We understand Star Wars and also have the freedom to do new things with it and also we understand Star Wars, Jesus Christ sit down you guys".

sidebar: if anyone is interested, greg proops talks about his experience as the podrace announcer in Phantom Menace on matt gourley's new podcast, it's kind of a neat conversation

http://feeds.feedburner.com/IWasThereToo

― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thank you for the heads up. I've never heard Greg talk about it in his own podcast.

There's some funny Phantom Menace related stuff in this as well:

http://www.comedy.co.uk/podcasts/richard_herring_lst_podcast/episode_12_peter_serafinowicz/

yeah that Herring podcast with Peter Serafinowicz is hillarious and incredible. Lucas comes across as a tight bastard too; recording in a notoriously cheap London studio, not paying PS to go to the premiere etc. really is amazing eye-witness stuff.

I had no idea the Attack the Block guy was in this movie until I saw the trailer, but I was happy to see him, because he was so good in AtB. Looking at the names of the other actors, I have no idea who they are (except for the old folks from the original movies, plus Serkis, of course), have they done anything noteworthy before SW7?

What is Serkis doing in this movie, anyway (besides narrating the trailer)? Another motion capture role?

No one knows.

He's going to be Yaddle.

I haven't seen the mutilated original trilogy in a while, so I was wondering - didn't they redub the stormtroopers' voices with Temuera Morrison (Boba Fett/clone trooper)? Or was it just Fett?

The cast are all mostly up and comers. Oscar Isaac was in the Coens' last movie and will be playing Apocalypse in the next X-Men, Daisy Ridley is more or less an unknown, Adam Driver and Gwendolyn Christie are both from HBO, Lupita Nyong'o won the Best Supporting Actress Oscar for 12 Years A Slave, Domhnall Gleeson is Brendan Gleeson's son, and Max Von Sydow played the role of Esbern in the Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim.

Dudes, if Episode 1 came out in 2014 everyone would be saying it's amazing LIKE NERDGASM OMG I@M SUCH A HUGE STAR WARS NERD BY THE WAY AND THIS LOOKS WOW internet jive.

-Instead- it got shitted on by actual angry nerds who hated it for actual disillusioned angry nerd reasons that were as bullshit as the new young star fans reasons for loving the new JJ im JJ abrams Abrams nontrailer. When did it become cool to like commercial reboots?

^^^ Whose sock is he again?

I don't know but his logic is AIRTIGHT and CONVINCING

Take new Jurassic Park reboot. No one was interested in the Jurassic Park sequels. JP 3 came out as recently as 2001 I think. No adult cared, it was obviously a dumb money grab. Now, it's like been given a whole new lease of life, all of a sudden Jurassic Park is cool again on a wave of nostalgic 90s shit tsunami. The Jurassic Park trailer was possibly the dumbest looking piece of crap worse than anything we saw in the 2 sequels, yet people are now "excited" for it, it's cool. This is the power of modern internet marketing.

It's the same reason adults go to those awful Marvel films and The Dark Knight Rises with serious intent of going to like a serious movie.

new young star fans

how old are you tanooch?

Regardless of whose sock he is, he just shits up every thread he enters, it's irritating. Miss the suggest ban button.

He doesn't know what reboot means.

"Movie trailers" = "modern internet marketing." If only the filmmakers of the 1970s had had access to this innovation.

Dudes, if Episode 1 came out in 2014 everyone would be saying it's amazing

How so? It's still garbage today.

only good thing from ep1 was the pod race.

most people liked the Episode 1 trailer tbf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng

Jurassic Park 1 is still really solid, and a cultural touchstone (Jaws for a new generation, birth of convincing CGI, Weird Al song, one of 20 or so movies to have made a billion dollars, etc); 3D reissue made $65 mil in the theaters, and it wasn't all gen xers (I took kids, they loved it). Jurassic Park 2 is pretty much a turd. Jurassic Park 3 is better than it could have been, but that doesn't mean it was anything to get excited about, or that anyone cared. I think folks have remained consistent on this.

Jurassic Park 4 looks like Aliens 4.

Other constants: people make fun of JJ Abrams, prequels stink. Those notions are not incompatible with anyone getting excited about the idea of a new Star Wars movie, but the idea that there are no asterisks or caveats attached is nuts. Some people really like Star Wars and are willing to hope these are good. You could even call it ... a new hope.

I am confident.

It could be my weakness though, etc etc

I don't think Abrams needs to be an amazing director to do this right, he just needs to love the originals (which he appears to), be competent, and find a way of making a 2015 movie in 2015 while retaining some of what made the originals fun. I really wouldn't want too much of an auteur doing them. I'm not interested in someone's artistic "take" on Star Wars.

tbf Empire Strikes Back was really Brackett/Kasdan's take on Star Wars and George Lucas has spent the rest of the time acting like any ideas they came up with were in his original plan

Guardians of the Galaxy was pretty much taken from the Star Wars template of rollicking adventure fun. JJ hasn't done anything remotely that enjoyable. He wants to be Spielberg too badly. Lucas, for all his many faults, is the one who loves serial pulp. Abrams has been consistent enough across all his films that I really can't imagine his Star Wars to be much more than competent. Which, yeah, is still a step up.

A.O. Scott of the New York Times calls it "Workmanlike...throroughly competent!"

I know you can only tell so much from a teaser trailer, but look how much shittier the ep 1 teaser trailer was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo5PYJvAAMI

I thought GotG was dull for the most part. Don't get the SW comparisons. That lead guy reminded me of a couple drunk-at the office Xmas party and-trying to be slick-middle management dudes I have known.

The redeeming part of the Star Wars prequels, the unveiling of the fact that George Lucas could do a pretty good bare-bones homage to pulp science fiction (with help in the script editing) back when he made the original Star Wars, but given unlimited resources and not held to any story constraints he just throws in every idea that comes into his head.

after years of interviews and books where he's tried to assume this role of cultural mythmaker and Joseph Campbell-anointed storyteller, with this epic series all planned out, and then he makes Episodes 1 - 3

Every shot in the Ep 7 trailer was more exciting than any scene in Ep 1, so by virtue of having those shots alone it's hard to imagine it's worse than Ep 1.

Look at the overcrowded and badly thought through production design in the PM trailer compared to the relatively simple and striking images in the new one.

absence of Jake Lloyd/Hayden Christensen also a boost

The redeeming part of the Star Wars prequels, the unveiling of the fact that George Lucas could do a pretty good bare-bones homage to pulp science fiction (with help in the script editing) back when he made the original Star Wars, but given unlimited resources and not held to any story constraints he just throws in every idea that comes into his head.

― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 1 December 2014 15:11 (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, but I had that after Episode I (in fairness Episode II shows real growth in his ability to write terrible romantic dialogue)