Star Wars 7 shit talk

I was watching Star Trek V the other day and realized that it's better than any of the prequels.

― polyphonic, Friday, 15 July 2011 22:43 (3 years ago)

the sad thing is, this is totally true

Prequels kind of serves to show me it has always been shitty and that's more or less the point. Sci fi trash. Space opera pulp. Flashy special effects, fututistic vs. ancient tech juxtaposition, lots of silly names, etc. ROTJ in particular doesn't hold up well under scrutiny. It's basically a prequel movie made with the original cast.

The idea that people didn't think TPM was garbage immediately after release (or that the internet is why people think they are awful) is silly. And making lots of money does not prove anything.

a slightly below average summer blockbuster

Was going to protest this but I basically don't go to summer blockbusters that don't say 'Marvel' so I may have artificially high expectations.

One thing I did like about ROTJ was Liam Neeson's Kurosawa Jedi - not really very clear what film he'd fit in. It might actually have worked better to actually have him as Obi-Wan and Ewan McGregor as Anakin.

Actually while I'm letting my nerdlinger fly / annoying Οὖτις (reminded by a post above), here's a super dorky restructuring of TPM that improves it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgICnbC2-_Y

There's one surefire upside to Episode 7: it's sure to look golden in comparison to the preceding episode.

Contrariwise, I think ROTJ suffers a bit from the fact that it's after Empire. I know that Lucas's assumption of the mantle of Master Storyteller is the worst thing about him, but for once, he fell ass-backward into something that works for some people - obviously if you're not feeling the scene with Vader watching the Emperor fry Luke, then there's a lot less in it for you.

I also appreciate that these are all views that we've had for a long time.

I remember an interview with the fight choreographer for the Luke/Vader fight, who was told "nothing too flashy - if we care more about the fight than who's fighting then we've lost them".

i saw star wars on the teevee and on video when i was a kid, several times. It was great when i was under 12 and i had all the action figures and ralph mcquarrie books and shit. my darth vader was headless because i hung him from the venetian blinds and his noggin popped off. i still have my childhood star wars pillowcases, that's about the only memorabilia still in my possession.
empire was one of the first films I saw in the theater. I remember yoda being on the front page of the paper and thinking I AM SEEING THE NEWS TODAY. i fucking loved it.
i saw return in the theaters like six times.
in the early nineties dawn of the internet, finding IRC Star Wars rooms was an early obsession.
in college, i lived with a guy who would put on any of the original movies and parrot the dialogue in sync with the film from the couch. he would do this about twice a week and every month or two he'd have a geek gathering and they'd play all the films back to back. i found this annoying but not so much so as to comment on it.
in the run up to the prequels i bought A LOT of action figures that I never took out of the box. like a wall's worth.
i waited in line for opening night of the phantom menace. that shit was terrible. i think i rewatched it on video a year later with a friend who bought a copy and demanded we see it together. it was still terrible.
i saw whatever the fuck the second film was called on video about three years after it came out. that shit was also terrible.
Somewhere around here i sold or gave away all my old star wars shit.
i never saw the third one and yeah everyone says it's the best one. i am okay with never having seen it and never taking the time to see it.
i'll probably watch the abrams one when it comes out on netflix or hbo or whatever in 2016; it'll probably be fine.
i can see rewatching the canonical original trilogy if it's with a child who hasn't seen it before.
i cannot imagine ever watching or rewatching the prequels or any other accompanying cartoons or nostalgia or whatever.
star wars is really a silly phenomenon

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm with those who remember having to hesitate/justify/give up on Eps 2 and 3 re: should I bother? Should I get my friends to go? I remember leaving TPM citing the Roger Ebert review in my head, trying to get stoked for this really inventive, vivid world that had been created, but there wasn't anything that left your heart racing, made you want to be those characters or stuck in your brain at all really. And this isn't just being old and jaded; I remember leaving Pirates of the Caribbean a few years later and totally having that thing going of being a kid where after you leave the pirate movie you're ready to be a pirate all the way out the door and through the parking lot.

Recall how much of the push for III revolved around "No, it's better than the other two!" The title of "Attack of the Clones" also got a lot of people, not necessarily serious nerd types, to go "wait, this whole thing is kinda goofy."

The one thing AOTC has that I kinda liked, leaving the theater, was all the stuff with Obi-Wan going around solving a mystery on weird planets. It wasn't a good mystery, and they weren't great scenes, but at least it felt a little bit pacey, like there was a story going on, things were going to unfold rather than just happening. Similarly the one good thing in ROTS is Palpatine talking to Anakin, but they used most of that in the trailer. TPM has essentially nothing any Star Wars fan needs to see.

reminder when you say "people thought it was garbage" you actually mean adults thought it was garbage, because they were too bluntly reminded this was a family film first and went about edited out jarjar scenes in fanmade copies like george lucas post edit maniacs.

I remember an interview with the fight choreographer for the Luke/Vader fight, who was told "nothing too flashy - if we care more about the fight than who's fighting then we've lost them".

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was the biggest thing in the RLM takedown of TPM, comparing the original trilogy duels to the prequels

How anyone who loved all that camp kooky shit in the original trilogy had this massive problem all of a sudden with things they deemed too much aimed at kids. The prequels in other ways were a big step up in every regard. Other than II.

"Ja Ja Binks makes the fucking Ewoks look like Shaft!"

Insisting that mega buxx = well- and fondly-remembered doesn't really work in a universe with Avatar.

i still have no idea what the clones/jango fett/all that stuff was about, any of it. so many darths. so many tariffs. gr8 kids movie

camp kooky shit in the original trilogy

um, wrong

my experience mirrors forks' tbh

(with the exception of never having seen the 2nd or 3rd prequels beyond some random scenes on TV recently)

I think the final act of ROTJ is very compelling cinema. Even the Ewok planet stuff I thought was fun and made a good dramatic counterbalance to the heavy stuff going on in space and on the death star. I think it's a very balanced final act with very good pacing.

avatar was a way better movie theater experience than any of the star wars prequels imo, even if i never need/want to see it again

How anyone who loved all that camp kooky shit in the original trilogy had this massive problem all of a sudden with things they deemed too much aimed at kids.

Yeah it's so hypocritical how the same people who enjoyed the Jim Henson creations in the original trilogy hated the gungans. Clearly they just forgot it's a kids movie.

Are we seriously, in 2014, having an argument with someone trolling on the "but the originals were made for kids too! Have I sufficiently blown your mind?" tip?

it's like poetry

for anyone saying that people actually *liked* TPM when it first came out, check that Herring podcast linked above with Serafinowicz, to hear the story of the in-theater premiere-night reaction from the actual cast and crew and hold onto your hat.

Nowadays, I'm kinda more fascinated with Star Wars as a cultural institution than I am with any of its constituent cultural products (à la Disney).

But honestly, it was always more about the monster and droid design than anything else. That shit was dope.

"Are we seriously, in 2014, having an argument with someone trolling on the "but the originals were made for kids too! Have I sufficiently blown your mind?" tip?

it's like poetry

― Doctor Casino"

But and so and but so seems like you are (sorry if I ignored you earlier) and have been multiple times right in this thread, crazy right? 2014 seriously like too and!

was that gungan?

whatever you were going for there failed

^^^ the story of the Star Wars prequels

He accidentally omitted the C I A L I S.

was that gungan?

― my jaw left (Hurting 2)

whatever you were going for there failed

― linda cardellini (zachlyon),

David Foster Wallace actually, direct quote. Not that I'd expect you to know that.

proud of u

hahaha, this guy

Kooky one, Tanuki

Man that utility meter data thing really did a number on Shakey when it comes to Star Wars. RIP.

keep forgetting he's a sock

Shakes?

I hear utility meter data figures heavily in the JJ Abrams sequels fyi

"whatever you were going for there failed

― linda cardellini (zachlyon),"

Haha. Oh dear linda cardellini, oh. dear. I should've worked some Shakaespeare in too.

that Serafinowicz thing is a little time investment but it does build and build, fucking diiiiiiiiied laughing just now when it got to the issue of Terence Stamp's compensation (no spoilers).

i have been sonned don't forget me

Cardellini you've been sonned by a sock.

the joke's on you i'm not actually linda cardellini

no that means jokes definitely still on you

TPM has essentially nothing any Star Wars fan needs to see.

TPM has all of the ludicrous Queen Amidala wigs and makeup, which everyone needs to see.

a couple of ilx challops

you and rt both really need to take a step back from ilx imo

― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, December 1, 2014 4:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha challumps am i right

Still haven't figured out the relationship between Padme and Queen Amidala xp

lol

Queen is an elected position on their planet (!) and her full name is Padme Amidala or some shit, iirc

xpost this is going to blow your mind, but padme and queen amidala are played by the same actress (natalie portman)! their characters also have a lot in common. i could explain more but it gets pretty nerdy

!

Why is one named Padme and the other is named Queen Amidala?

Sorry, that's jsut the first questino to pop into mym ind

Honestly this movie is so solidly pitched at Shakey's demographic I mean just look at this screencap

http://i.imgur.com/uIMVnES.jpg?1

Loooooooool

one is the Queen, one is the Queen's body double

amidala truthers are the worst

Queen amidala is her official name, Padme is her first name. They are the same character. She pretended to be her own handmaiden under the name Padme for a bit in TMP so she could check out tattooine or something.