I did have a friend who saw it three times hoping it would get better.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:19 (nine years ago) link
and that was also the standard response for why people went back for 2nd and 3rd sequel helpings; hoping it/they would get better.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:23 (nine years ago) link
he series of three Star Wars making of books by J W Rinzler that have come out in the last 5 or 6 years are really fantastic and as people have been saying, very relevatory in showing how many of the best ideas came from everyone around Lucas, especially when it came to Empire and Jedi... i was actually surprised how much it goes into that given they're officially approved, but maybe George doesn't give a shit anymore. with the first film its especially obvious that nearly all of his first ideas
I wonder – I really don't know – to what degree the novels written since 1999 have built up more affection for the notion of Star Wars than Lucas did on his own. I mean, there's novels out about every wrinkle in the SW universe ("What happened b/w IG-88 and Dengar as they journeyd to Vader's Super Star Destroyer? Let's pitch the idea!"). I read one of those books, The Rise of Darth Vader, out of sheer curiosity; it wasn't bad at all and fleshed out stuff that Lucas' direction had elided.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:24 (nine years ago) link
TPM was briefly the second highest grossing film in us history (ignoring inflation), and i wonder how much of that $430m came from folks saying "maybe it's MY fault"
and even with the undeniably diminished enthusiasm, the second film still made over $300m in the us alone. made more than the hobbit movies are making in current dollars.
and when TPM was released in 3D two years ago it made another 43m in the us. bet a portion of that was people hoping time had been kind to it.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:24 (nine years ago) link
maybe they hoped Jar-Jar would look different through 3D glasses
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link
Novels possibly quite a bit behind video games there's? Tho I may just be showing my biases.
Hah "scientists now suggest that the opening crawl in the prequels may have put a generation off reading"
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:31 (nine years ago) link
The crawls were cool as visual devices but terrible as storytelling devices
― Kooki-Wan Tanooki (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:32 (nine years ago) link
I went w/ very low expectations on the UK release, since all the noise from the US had been bad, but I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Not as bad as I'd been led to believe. When I went to see it again though… terrible, terrible boredom. Just a painful, dragging grind. That pod race seemed to go on forever.
― woof, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link
Somewhere, in a galaxy far far away, that pod race is still happening.
― Your Soup Is Inside Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
I think I didn't see Phantom Menace until pretty late and I just remember it being a completely miserable, frustrating, depressing experience, something like Jacob must have felt after waiting 7 years to marry Rachel and he lifts the veil and it's Leah.
― Kooki-Wan Tanooki (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
I'd have an opinion about the trailer except I am way too distracted by the fact that this "hilt" wouldn't do it's job since the opponent lightsaber "blade" would fit inside the corner below the hilt beam and destroy it. It wouldn't block anything. What is this bullshit gimmick? Fucking infomercial lightsabers.
― Evan, Saturday, November 29, 2014 11:53 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I say the beam continues inside the metal hilt part. It needs to be enclosed next to the handle so that you don't scorch your hand.
― jmm, Sunday, November 30, 2014 12:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hahaha wow Colbert just went through both of these points EXACTLY on the show tonight. Was pretty good.
― Evan, Monday, December 1, 2014 11:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Link:http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link
There's a decent fan edit of the prequels floating around that squeezes all three films down to a tidy 2.5 hours or so and excises as much Jar Jar and Annie as possible.
― Your Soup Is Inside Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
Def feel like there's an auteurist case to be made that, however inept and unwatchable Phantom Menace etc etc actually are, they represent a genuine, individual vision, one that's fascinating precisely because of its disregard for so many of the agreed rules/demands of commercial genre filmmaking - whereas the Abrams installments will be professional, 'well made', and ultimately just more product.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
Wasn't it an actor who made it, or something? The Matthew Modine edit?
xpost
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
Ep 7 Crawl should mention that a plague has completely wiped out the gungans.
― Kooki-Wan Tanooki (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
Ha, I just watched that Colbert bit.
I liked when he did the Sarcastic Dopey Strawman Interlocutor voice and then randomly named it Greg.
― jmm, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:01 (nine years ago) link
that's my trouble with auteurist theory: the difference between professional well made product and inept unwatchable product is too negligible to matter.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:01 (nine years ago) link
Abrams installment, please.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:02 (nine years ago) link
Also eh, professional well made product gave us Casablanca, I'd settle for that.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:05 (nine years ago) link
weird challops -- being inept in a consistent way is not "auterist"
― Kooki-Wan Tanooki (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:06 (nine years ago) link
Tell that to Jess Franco!
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link
the emperor's first name is Sheev
― Οὖτις, Monday, December 1, 2014 6:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you're one of those people who catalog really stupid things you've heard about something you used to be invested in so you can tell current fans they're dumb, aren't you?
also, lol Sheev
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link
http://snl.jt.org/caps/characters/PhHa-Beev%20Algar.jpg
― Your Soup Is Inside Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
colbert report included this tweet from bill corbett aka crow t. robot
― poxy fülvous (abanana), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
the difference between professional well made product and inept unwatchable product is too negligible to matter.
what kind of nonsense is this
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:38 (nine years ago) link
with auteur theory. I think it's nonsense too. If you read the classic texts, there's such a thing as a "Victor Fleming Movie" or a "Brett Ratner Movie."
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link
Being inept in an consistent way and driving away everyone who says / can say "No, that's stupid" = the test of true auteurs!
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link
Who said that (here or elsewhere)?
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:00 (nine years ago) link
Star Wars 7 shit talk
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link
("What happened b/w IG-88 and Dengar as they journeyd to Vader's Super Star Destroyer? Let's pitch the idea!")
lest we forget
The remaining IG-88 uploaded his consciousness into a computer core destined for Death Star II. He succeeded in being uploaded, and was preparing to activate his program to take over all droids in the galaxy when it was destroyed. With his consciousness in the Death Star II, he would literally become the Death Star.[3]Emperor Palpatine was the only known person on the Death Star to suspect something was wrong after the uploading of the computer core with IG-88 inside. Before the station's destruction, he noticed a series of doors in his throne room opening and closing sporadically. IG-88 did this to show the Emperor that he was not all powerful. However, IG-88 was utterly baffled when it appeared that Emperor Palpatine used some unseen force to attempt to push the doors open. However, IG-88 exerted more force and was able to continue to keep the Emperor locked in, until he grew tired of the game and unlocked the door.[3]Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles ended up destroying the core, destroying both the Death Star, and the A.I. of IG-88 as well.
Emperor Palpatine was the only known person on the Death Star to suspect something was wrong after the uploading of the computer core with IG-88 inside. Before the station's destruction, he noticed a series of doors in his throne room opening and closing sporadically. IG-88 did this to show the Emperor that he was not all powerful. However, IG-88 was utterly baffled when it appeared that Emperor Palpatine used some unseen force to attempt to push the doors open. However, IG-88 exerted more force and was able to continue to keep the Emperor locked in, until he grew tired of the game and unlocked the door.[3]
Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles ended up destroying the core, destroying both the Death Star, and the A.I. of IG-88 as well.
― Number None, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
However, IG-88 exerted more force and was able to continue to keep the Emperor locked in, until he grew tired of the game and unlocked the door.[3]
hero
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:27 (nine years ago) link
One of the more damning takedowns of TPM is that suggested viewing order of all the films that just excises TPM entirely, dismissing everything that happens in it as inessential to all the other films. Machete Order? Yeah: http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/
Episode I is a failure on every possible level. The acting, writing, directing, and special effects are all atrocious, and the movie is just plain boring. Luckily, George Lucas has done everyone a favor by making the content of Episode I completely irrelevant to the rest of the series. Seriously, think about it for a minute. Name as many things as you can that happen in Episode I and actually help flesh out the story in any subsequent episode.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:28 (nine years ago) link
As such, some people may want to watch Episode I after all. As some commenters have pointed out, there is still a place to watch Episode I with this order. The ideal place is after the "main saga" of IV, V, II, III, VI is complete. Not immediately after, but like "okay, Star Wars is over, but there's some other stuff you can watch that takes place in the same galaxy with some of the same people."
once you get past the silly comedy voice; this 70 minute (!) video analysis/takedown of Phantom Menace gets so much correct about why it doesn't work at all. really worth the watch:http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star-wars-episode-1-the-phantom-menace/
― jamiesummerz, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, that and star trek are red letter's epic masterpieces.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:47 (nine years ago) link
I asked whether the movie was good, she was just like, yeah, it was pretty good
I rest my fucking case
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link
people did NOT want to admit TPM was bad
why on earth would I spend 70 minutes watching a video take apart a movie if it isn't MST3K
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link
Tuomas' roommate has conclusively proved Shakey's point. Lock thread
― 龜, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:49 (nine years ago) link
that was also the standard response for why people went back for 2nd and 3rd sequel helpings; hoping it/they would get better.
thank you sir may I have another!
this is trauma victim shit
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
RLM's Best of the Worst series is great too. It's basically the MST3K formula, but sometimes they analyze weird non-movies (instructional videos and such) that viewers send in.
― jmm, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
I recall nothing but negativity surrounding TPM, not limited to the parade of racial stereotypes
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
If I cared more than I do about making Shakey look dumb, I would dig through TheForce.net forums from 1999-2000, but I don't.
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:58 (nine years ago) link
I can't get over this idea that nobody hated TPM until the internet told them, it's pretty hilarious.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link
I still maintain that Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher are the main reasons why the OG trilogy is better than the prequel trilogy; storywise they are comparable enjoyable nonsense and the outright ire over the prequels (particularly Episode I) is some ultra-nerdy "Losing My Edge"/"I was there" shit
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
Οὖτις, are you here to shame trauma victims
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
if everybody hates TPM so much why do so many people keep paying to watch it
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:04 (nine years ago) link
they do?
― goole, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
once you get past the silly comedy voice; this 70 minute (!) video analysis/takedown of Phantom Menace gets so much correct about why it doesn't work at all. really worth the watch:http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star-wars-episode-1-the-phantom-menace/― jamiesummerz, Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:40 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― jamiesummerz, Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:40 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Really hate how this guy throws in jokes about kidnapping hookers though.
― put your money where the maracas are (how's life), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Imagining SW w/out Han Solo is like imagining ILM without Geir
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:07 (nine years ago) link