British press for the film was positive. Derek Malcolm of The Guardian concluded that the film "... plays enough games to satisfy the most sophisticated."[125] The Daily Telegraph 's Adrian Berry said that Star Wars "... is the best such film since 2001 and in certain respects it is one of the most exciting ever made." He described the plot as "... unpretentious and pleasantly devoid of any 'message.'"[126] In his review for BBC, Matt Ford awarded the film five out of five stars and wrote, "Star Wars isn't the best film ever made, but it is universally loved."[127]
― Kooki-Wan Tanooki (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
I was going to say, claiming critics panned the 70s/80s films is some weird revisionist thinking.
I saw a scan earlier in the week of Samuel Delany reviewing the original Star Wars and he really enjoyed it, so it's not as if science fiction writers were panning it either.
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
I didn't say universally panned
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:35 (nine years ago) link
Star Wars isn't the best film ever made, but it is universally loved.
lol quality criticism there mate
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link
I'm fairly shocked that people would have fond enough memories of a not-so-hot movie they saw as children that they would pay to see the 3-D theatrical rerelease of said film. I can't think of any other recent instances of people shelling out cash for lukewarm rehashes of subpar children's entertainment.
― Your Soup Is Inside Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:37 (nine years ago) link
critics hated the original trilogy too,
claiming critics panned the 70s/80s films is some weird revisionist thinking.
masterclass in debating here.
― Kelly Gang Carey and the Mantels (ledge), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:37 (nine years ago) link
either 100% of people loved it or hated it, there is no in between. love and light, hate and darkness.
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:38 (nine years ago) link
(Jar-Jar Binks is actually the worst thing in the world btw).
In so many ways! It's actually amazing.
― the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:38 (nine years ago) link
better overview than wikipedia's: http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/originaltrilogyreception2.html
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:38 (nine years ago) link
Pauline Kael, New Yorker: "The only real inspiration involved in Star Wars was to set its sci-fi galaxy in the pop-culture past and to turn old-movie ineptness into conscious Pop Art."
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:39 (nine years ago) link
Star Wars: 83%
Empire Strikes Back: 92%
Return of the Jedi: 76%
― i blow goat farts, aka garts for a living (waterface), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:39 (nine years ago) link
Never forget.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xFk6oCjJU80/T0Pof4oEbXI/AAAAAAAACoE/iutXxOUu8xg/s1600/cc2742f4-c147-4bf9-b047-ab410447ea0c.jpg
― Your Soup Is Inside Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
I thought a brilliant structural idea in Empire was to build tension and release out of the malfunctioning hyperdrive in the Falcon. When it finally does take off at the end, it's a fantastic moment.
(Empire also has an advantage in being able to delegate some of the more difficult storytelling challenges (getting the story going, wrapping it up) to its two adjacent episodes.)
― jmm, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:41 (nine years ago) link
Empire also has the advantage of Vader kicking ass
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link
he wipes out an entire officer's class because they can't park the star destroyer between the cones
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link
xp it seems like the dramatic device of technology-not-working-right hit-the-tv-again gets a lot of mileage in the original trilogy, now that I think about it.
― Kooki-Wan Tanooki (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
that's what Lucas doesn't get: the original trilogy worked in part because distant planets and shit are dirty.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:46 (nine years ago) link
Takes a lot of sweat, grease and trips to the tachi station to maintain a droid
― Kooki-Wan Tanooki (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link
it's obvious Aunt Beru reeks of BO as she pours bug juice from her aqua Tupperware.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:51 (nine years ago) link
Using original boxoffice to claim people loved film originally. Claiming people turned on it over the years. Then using re-release box-office from 2012 to claim... what exactly? That the change of opinion is actually only two years old? Like, even your own facts argue against you.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:51 (nine years ago) link
it's kinda hard arguing against a bunch of random points thrown at me that often willfully misinterpret what I've posted, what can I say.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link
bring back the utility data
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link
I claimed people turned on it over the years *on the internet*, where the narrative that the prequels were awful has taken on a life of its own. But people still watch those prequels, they are not universally loathed.
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link
...
― 龜, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link
I hope the new movie contains a character that is an obvious Internet meme and the inclusion of said character causes the Internet to implode in a ball of self-regarding fury
basically I'm imagining Han and Leia saying "oh look, it's your old babysitter" and then nyancat flies into the room spouting an endless loop of music, Snarfing up everything all to be damned
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fE_YdMNIPPk/U0WouNghGTI/AAAAAAABVnk/p5ZDd5LKGG8/s1600/Jar-Jar-Binks.gif
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
Well, yeah, there must be people who like them. The Transformer films are also internet-loathed, but people still go to them. I remember back in the day, a guy from my school was on Danish television as a star wars nerd, and when asked who his favorite character was he said 'jar jar binks. because he is funny.' And how disgusted I was. And it took a bit of time for me to turn on the film as well, so it must have been some time after release of I.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link
But I also remember an immediate release of dissapointment and bad reviews.
Notable that Lucas was canny enough not to include, in any of the prequels, a POV shot of a ship entering hyperspace. (i.e., shot from inside the cockpit). The first time you ever see it, if you watch in order, is after the Falcon escapes from Tatooine.
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:03 (nine years ago) link
FWIW, my wife unequivocally loves TPM.
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link
when was the last time you spoke to her?
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:07 (nine years ago) link
May 23, 1999.
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link
glad you guys finally have a thread to discuss the first 6 Star Wars movies
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link
Abject avoidance is the best kind of shit talk.
― Your Soup Is Inside Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
Oh I thought this was the 7th star wars shit talk thread
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
I've run out of light sabre hilt theories and have to talk about something
― Kooki-Wan Tanooki (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link
The first three threads were universally loved at the time, but over the years, opinion started to sour.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link
DJP's post reminded me of this, which has to be the most awkward, laboured Star Wars meme insertion possible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdMaZlWkK8o
― jmm, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
Still love Ahmed Best for lending his voice to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdS2kCUGvfo
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link
That's because the show isn't for nerds, it's for people who might know a nerd or have observed one in the wild, which is why they had to set up the bit by explaining who said "it's a trap" and where it comes from.
xpost
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link
I love The Phantom Menace and I've always loved The Phantom Menace
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:46 (nine years ago) link
That's some impressive self-gaslighting.
― You Got It, Dude! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link
i consider TPM the best of the prequels (it's still fucking awful). Attack of the Clones is the real nadir, the exact moment being yoda leaping around with a lightsaber.
― ryan, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link
third one was tolerable if seen as gay parable
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link
... How can the third one be seen as a gay parable?
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link
what if yoda was originally a huge hulking angry green dude but then sheev shrank him using evil sith magic, that would've been cool(er)
ok not really
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:03 (nine years ago) link
yeah explain gay parable interp plz
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
Emperor Chicken Hawk openly lusting for Leif Garrett.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link
love that moment when he blasts SLJ out the window then looks at Anakin and mouth open goes AHHHHHHHHHH