also hahaha
― imago, Monday, 5 January 2015 09:25 (nine years ago) link
This was Ceylan's top ten list for the Sight and Sound poll:
Andrei Rublev 1966 Andrei Tarkovsky Au Hasard Balthazar 1966 Robert Bresson L'Avventura 1960 Michelangelo Antonioni L'Eclisse 1962 Michelangelo Antonioni Late Spring 1949 Ozu Yasujirô A Man Escaped 1956 Robert Bresson Mirror 1974 Andrei Tarkovsky Scenes from a Marriage 1995 Ingmar Bergman Shame 1968 Ingmar Bergman Tokyo Story 1953 Ozu Yasujirô
Just from seeing his films, you would prob guess that he aspires to be in that kind of company, and to some extent he has satisfied a critical need for 'our century's great auteur'. But Uzak, Once Upon a Time in Anatolia and Winter Sleep are undeniably very great films - and as Imago suggests, there's a quiet strain of absurdist humour in his films that helps to undercut (or maybe it completes?) his high seriousness. Uzak has the greatest Tarkovsky gag ever.
Huluk Bilginer's performance in Winter Sleep was probably the finest I saw last year, and it does my head in that he was also Mehmet in Eastenders.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 5 January 2015 09:26 (nine years ago) link
uzak is isn't a very great film if that is understood with respect to tarkovsky and antonioni, upon a time in anatolia is exquisite and far more developed
to some extent he has satisfied a critical need for 'our century's great auteur' = this god in the mountains nostalgism inhibits understanding of the specificity of what he is doing
― nakhchivan, Monday, 5 January 2015 09:37 (nine years ago) link
is
have seen & loved movies by 3 of those directors but none of those listed - all worth it i trust
― imago, Monday, 5 January 2015 09:53 (nine years ago) link
Huluk Bilginer's performance in Winter Sleep was probably the finest I saw last year, and it does my head in that he was also Mehmet in Eastenders. = lol, i shall look forward to the 1080p of this all the more so in the knowledge that it features the colin 'kazim kazim' kazim-richards of cinema
― nakhchivan, Monday, 5 January 2015 09:54 (nine years ago) link
(after my gf and I were scolded by a terrible woman for buying bags of popcorn as she 'came to this cinema because nobody eats popcorn here, also it's a very quiet film' - we didn't eat the popcorn but did devise numerous rhetorical comebacks for if we bumped into her afterwards)
Terrible woman otm.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 January 2015 10:19 (nine years ago) link
Anyway, it was a good bit of timing to see Winter Sleep a week or so after catching a performance of The Cherry Orchard.
nostalgism inhibits understanding of the specificity of what he is doing
What would that be then?
Prefer Once Upon a Time... although my fave is possibly Climates but I wonder whether he just is forcing it a bit much overall (I mean that list). Been around the block w/this stuff, not sure whether he is saying anything too 'new'.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 January 2015 10:35 (nine years ago) link
― imago, Monday, 5 January 2015 09:53 (41 minutes ago)
lol what do you thinknot watched any bergman films but the other eight there are so obviously great that someone listing them among their favourite films seems almost to be taking the piss out the list format
― nakhchivan, Monday, 5 January 2015 10:43 (nine years ago) link
Greath thread. I wrote this thing on Once Upon a Time in Anotolia a few months back, in case anyone is interested: http://centrifugue.blogspot.com/2014/10/once-upon-time-in-anatolia-nuri-bilge.html
I'm trying to make up my mind on Winter Sleep. I need to watch it again, under better circumstances, I think. Found out I could make a screening after work one day, was at cinema 25 minutes in advance, ended up getting third-to-last ticket, second row, right. Not a good seat. But impressive that a 196 min turkish film sold out in Copenhagen, so that was cool.
I was pretty surprised at how this film looked, compared to ...Anatolia, and Three Monkeys as well. It looked like much cheaper digital, much less surface-prettyness. Once those long discussions started to circle in on themselves it reminded me of a giant version of Hong Sang-soo, slightly. But then it developed into something far different. I thought the two parallel discussions in the final act, with Ismail and the teacher, were absolutely brilliant. They seemed to answer the problems that Aydin, Necla and Nihal were circling around, but could never be honest enough to answer themselves. More to follow, once I get my mind around it.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 07:43 (nine years ago) link
Winter Asleep is very good, but not as great as Anatolia:too much emphasis on dialog, less on image.
though it does sum up his philosophy in a straight forward manner i'd say.
― nostormo, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 12:26 (nine years ago) link
If the dialogue says more than the image, that is not nec crucial.
I think the imagery is eloquent important in WS; it's not like the landscape, and the hotel and dwellings built into rock, are irrelevant to the themes.
(thought the biggest plot misstep in the climax was the fireplace thing, which one could see coming for 5 minutes)
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 13:13 (nine years ago) link
oh they could have cut from her knocking at the door to money in a fireplace; whole thing was utterly telegraphed; think that was the point though - we had to see it all unfold from her perspective even though it was screamingly obvious what she'd come to do and what would happen - like I said, gleeful savagery upon bourgie guilt (with a dram of sympathy)
― London's Left-Wing Utopian Non-League Ultras Are Reclaiming Football (imago), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 13:17 (nine years ago) link
um, MAYBE SPOILER but not rly
― London's Left-Wing Utopian Non-League Ultras Are Reclaiming Football (imago), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 13:18 (nine years ago) link
Very symmetrical.
I haven't seen Winter Sleep yet, but man, Film Comment was not kind to it a few issues back.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2015 14:06 (nine years ago) link
which critic?
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 14:08 (nine years ago) link
Think it was their editor-in-chief, or Taubin maybe.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2015 14:09 (nine years ago) link
FC put Interstellar on the cover, y'know. With TWO full-length critical appreciations.
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
The imagery in Winter Sleep seems incredibly important, I think. It's clearly carefully made. I just think the connection between style and theme is more oblique than it used to be. Which is cool, just means I have to think about it...
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
"If the dialogue says more than the image, that is not nec crucial."
i disagree. cause it's cinema.
Dreyer, for example, combined imagery within dialog, to perfection.Winter Sleep, i think, is more or less dialog OR image, usually not together, and that's fine as long as you don't have too much dialog..
― nostormo, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
You must love Eric Rohmer.
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
Didn't have a problem w/ the long dialogue scenes in WS - it's a film about an actor, the conversations are another performance, the firelit rooms a stage (and as Rivette makes clear, there is in fact a deep relationship between cinema and theatre). It seemed quite brave - or bloody-minded - of Ceylan to retreat into the interior after roaming the countryside in his previous film, and I thought the film really pulled off that sense of passions/feelings shutting down, hibernating.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
i do actually. but more Green Ray and less Maude..xpost
― nostormo, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
well exactly; just because there's a lot of dialogue doesn't mean the visuals are null.
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
WPT, despite the lengthy dialouges, is a superb piece of filmmaking. Excellent movie.
― nostormo, Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link
You should get this Blu-ray of THE WILD PEAR TREE not for my essay but because it has A SIX AND A HALF HOUR MAKING OF DOCUMENTARY on it. (Also, the movie's great. ) https://t.co/yG4rIvIWgZ— Bilge Ebiri (@BilgeEbiri) October 17, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 October 2019 13:52 (four years ago) link
So want to watch that making of. Also, the film is extremely good.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 19 October 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link
Yeah feels like it was slept on a bit?
― YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 19 October 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link
I very much liked The Wild Pear Tree. It certainly didn't stint on the alienation, and alienating qualities, of its protagonist. Novelistic in the better sense, tho I see complaints about the length of his films are increasing in some quarters.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:30 (four years ago) link
Need to see that. Maybe even today, if we're considering it eligible for the poll again. If I loved the previous two but slightly preferred Winter Sleep...does this continue along that path, or diverge intriguingly?
― ban laggy jazzer (imago), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:38 (four years ago) link
someone my age no longer remembers films I saw 3+ years ago well. :/ But it's recognizably occupied with his concerns etc.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:54 (four years ago) link
opened in the US January 2019
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:56 (four years ago) link
ah nice ok ty! it's on the pile
― ban laggy jazzer (imago), Sunday, 5 April 2020 13:06 (four years ago) link
Funnily enough, it's been in my Netflix queue for months, suddenly becoming available yesterday.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 April 2020 13:48 (four years ago) link