(x-post) Fair enough; we've just had different experiences, and really the entire bar/pub cultures are very different on either side of the Atlantic. I still think it benefits everyone, though - bar owners for the reasons you say, bartenders because they get more tips with customers who are more likely to return, customers because a few extra bucks will pay off then or down the road.
I've just found myself at so many central London pubs standing there for 30 minutes getting jostled, watching the bartender make no effort to try to serve waiting people in any kind of order, and I start to lose my mind. But again - different experiences: I've been lucky to have some great locals in D.C./NYC/even L.A.
Plus it feels good to tip people when you can and shouldn't always be seen as some elaborate shakedown!
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
it feels good to tip people
this is why its abhorrent, same w ppl who take pride in paying for everything & conspicuous charity
― ogmor, Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
If your smallest bills were worth approx 8 dollars do you think ppl would still tip as much
― kinder, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
I'm guessing you've never worked a job where you hope people tip you
― Walter Galt, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:09 (nine years ago) link
site old questioms
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Friday, 10 April 2015 00:25 (nine years ago) link
Nice
― 龜, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:38 (nine years ago) link
seems patronising to assume an ethical position is beyond someone w a certain work history but I guess thats par for the course w you tippers
― ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:44 (nine years ago) link
it's abhorrent because it feels good
― brimstead, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:55 (nine years ago) link
right that's what makes it so insidious, at least w bribery no one is blinding themselves w romantic notions about individual endeavour or altruism
― ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2015 02:46 (nine years ago) link
vee must totally destroy all notions of romantic individual endeavour or altruism!
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 05:55 (nine years ago) link
buybacks i feel like most often occur when youve been sitting at the bar for hours getting shithoused on a not that busy night, or at a place where ur a regular
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 05:57 (nine years ago) link
i guess some places are more formulaic about it
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 05:59 (nine years ago) link
or if u know the bartender u just tip them a lot and they charge u almost nothing which seems m/l like a crime
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 06:00 (nine years ago) link
i have never tried tipping the bartender $10 that seems more just like paying for yr drinks in advance
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 06:01 (nine years ago) link
yeah I prefer to just tip a dollar or two and enjoy normal guy status
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 10 April 2015 06:39 (nine years ago) link
Getting a haircut in America is a terrifying experience, sitting there so panicked about having to pay some spurious undefined bonus on top of the actual price
And then you're paying someone else at the front and don't know if you should say "...and this is for a tip?" after they give you your change, or go back across the floor to tuck a handful of money into the barber's apron
And if you shouldn't tip if the haircut isn't as good as the last one you got, somewhere else? You're never going to be there again anyway so
Basically way too stressful to even focus on communicating how you want your hair done
― oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Friday, 10 April 2015 06:59 (nine years ago) link
wait, u pay for haircuts?
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Friday, 10 April 2015 08:14 (nine years ago) link
should you tip your airbnb hosts?― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 9 April 2015 09:25 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 9 April 2015 09:25 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this was a srs q btw
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, 10 April 2015 09:06 (nine years ago) link
Tipping barbers? Crazy USA.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:09 (nine years ago) link
Have always tipped my barber in England/Scotland!
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:11 (nine years ago) link
Never heard of it tbh.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:16 (nine years ago) link
Haven't been to a barber in 10 years though, so maybe I've just forgotten the etiquette.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:18 (nine years ago) link
Tipping hairdressers and barbers: at least enough for them to buy the drink they'll richly deserve after the unpaid emotional labour of asking customers about their holidays, etc.
― camp event (suzy), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:20 (nine years ago) link
These days I'm mostly tipping them for finding some hair to cut
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:21 (nine years ago) link
I would tip them not to ask me about my holidays etc. I think that's what Enoch Powell used to do.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:27 (nine years ago) link
he gets a bad rap but enoch had the right idea about barbers
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, 10 April 2015 09:30 (nine years ago) link
I get around the emotional labour bollocks by going to friends, where it's obvs good to talk. One of my friends cuts my hair now, and I find that the round-up from £54 to £60 dovetails nicely with any tipping intention (10 per cent is normal for hairdressers, who are mostly self-employed and hire stations in a salon workplace).
― camp event (suzy), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:34 (nine years ago) link
― ogmor, Friday, April 10, 2015 3:46 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think it would be funny if you said this every time as you left a restaurant stiffing the server. "Just so you know, it's nothing personal, it's a stance - not blinding myself w/ romantic notions, etc. Ethics in dining, etc...."
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Friday, 10 April 2015 10:25 (nine years ago) link
lol do u tip video game journalists as well
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 April 2015 10:34 (nine years ago) link
Have always tipped my barber in England/Scotland!― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 10 April 2015 10:11 Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkNever heard of it tbh.― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 10:16 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 10 April 2015 10:11 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 10:16 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
standard £2 tip for a standard guy haircut imo
― not content (onimo), Friday, 10 April 2015 11:02 (nine years ago) link
I was in the barber's at Christmas and a junkie & his dealer fell in through the door fighting and threatening to kill each other over a debt. They scared the shit out of my daughter who was waiting on me and I ended up (with half a haircut and an apron/collar thing around my neck) manhandling one of them out the door while the barbers stood and watched.
I still left an extra £2.
― not content (onimo), Friday, 10 April 2015 11:07 (nine years ago) link
^ tipping practices i can get behind
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 April 2015 11:20 (nine years ago) link
For real. Great story, onimo.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 10 April 2015 12:29 (nine years ago) link
i tip and bribe according to cultural norms, h8 the patronage not the player is the only way
― ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:15 (nine years ago) link
Barber charges $9. I give him $11. He whines that I only come by every three months instead of every week like the retirees.
― pplains, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:46 (nine years ago) link
One of the tricky bits about tipping protocol is if you are getting something free or less, you should try to tip as though it were full price. My head cannot always math that, but I try.
My employer frequently gives out gift cards for the Palm restaurant, and they can be awkward to use. They're supposed to work only for the food and booze, not the tax or tip. One time I had a $51-ish bar tab and a $50 gift card. I didn't have any cash with me for tipping purposes (I'd been expecting a credit card slip for the overage and the taxes, to which I could then add a tip that reflected the real amount). The bartender just accepted it and said, "Yeah, we're good." It was too much trouble to reopen, and I felt bad - made a concerted effort to go back another time and tip generously to make up for it.
― Ye Mad Puffin, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:49 (nine years ago) link
An $11 dollar tip? Oh, right! (xp)
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 13:50 (nine years ago) link
Do your thing, of course, but maybe try to let yourself feel good about it sometime. You can make someone who has been slaving away for a bunch of assholes for 12 hours' day that way. I had my day made that way a few times. Feels good. Feels good to feel good. etc.
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:53 (nine years ago) link
you are always one of the assholes they are slaving away for, it is the very nature of the deal. i believe it was tom baker on the very profound mansun album six who observed that pats on the back are what pushes you down
― ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:07 (nine years ago) link
i don't tip my actual slaves tho
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 April 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
Sure, there are a range of assholes when you're a server. There are the assholes who have been where you are before, and in a show of kindness and understanding and thanks throw down a little extra when they can afford to. Then there are the assholes who have a stance - Mr. Pink in Reservoir Dogs, my libertarian freshman year roommate - those are the ones that make your day shittier
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
its funny ppl imagining some socialist utopia and then being all tipping is bad well yeah everything is bad compared to imaginary socialist utopia
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
then ppl want to replace tipping servers with a living wage which wld def end up being less than what they make from tips now
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link
eh no ppl could still tip if servers received a living wage as basic
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 April 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
I mean, if I thought servers weren't getting paid a living wage and relied on tips just to make basic, they wouldn't get tips from me because I wouldn't be in that restaurant or whatever in the first place
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 April 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
ok m8
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link
not sure you need the vantage provided by living in imaginary socialist utopia to see that the american faith that every individual's good&honest hustle will be appropriately rewarded w fortune is in most cases delusory
― ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
should you tip your airbnb hosts? ― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 9 April 2015 09:25 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkthis was a srs q btw― bizarro gazzara, Friday, April 10, 2015 5:06 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, April 10, 2015 5:06 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i only stayed in an airbnb once, it felt like itd be weird to tip because it was a nice group of 2 couples living in a house in rural VT who let us use their 2ndary house... thing... they had on their property. had a real "staying with pals" feel even tho we didn't see them that much. we ended up leaving them a gift instead (iirc, six pack of beer and some nice cheese... and yes it was wrapped, this wasn't a leave-our-leftovers situation) with a nice note thanking them.
imo if they seem like normal ppl, treat it like u stayed w/ a pal & leave a gift, if it feels like a hotel (impersonal etc.) fuckem
― GGGOAT: greatest goat game of all time (Will M.), Friday, 10 April 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
unless they're like... doing maid service or w/e, in which case... tip the "maid" part?
― GGGOAT: greatest goat game of all time (Will M.), Friday, 10 April 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
Tipping the host never occurred to me when I Airbnb'ed in Chicago.
― WilliamC, Friday, 10 April 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link