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― Bookmark No Bingus Permalink (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
Wrong in which direction?
― Who M the best? (Will M.), Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:36 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
u know which direction lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
As a human being who lives on this Earth, this is the proudest moment of my existence so far
https://instagram.com/p/2G8nh8v0L1/?taken-by=itsatrilby
― 龜, Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
Tipping's the quickest and simplest way to do something about income inequality, sez
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/04/want-to-do-something-about-income-inequality-start-tipping-more/?hpid=z10
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
thats consumer-power logic
― ogmor, Monday, 4 May 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
http://ny.eater.com/2015/10/14/9517747/danny-meyer-no-tipping-restaurants
― gr8080, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/18/i-dare-you-to-read-this-and-still-feel-ok-about-tipping-in-the-united-states/
― 龜, Friday, 19 February 2016 01:01 (eight years ago) link
That's another wrinkle that many people don’t know about, right? Tipping in the United States actually dates back to slavery.The origin of tipping is really the feudal system, it’s this idea of noblesse oblige. But when tipping came to the United States, it had a real racial tinge to it, because, originally, the workers who earned tips were almost exclusively black workers—they were newly freed slaves.There was this massive anti-tipping movement to protest the practice, a resounding populist movement that actually got anti-tipping bills passed in six states across the country, including Washington state and many southern states. What’s interesting is that that movement, the anti-tipping populist one, ending up spreading to Europe and succeeding, because the labor movement picked it up and said ‘we are professionals, and we shouldn’t have to live on tips, because we should be paid by our employers.’ That’s why you see so little tipping in Europe. What we started here spread there and actually killed it at the origin in Europe.We, on the other hand, went in the opposite direction in the states. The restaurant industry, which was hiring newly freed slaves as tipped workers, really wanted the right to hire these workers but pay them next to nothing. So they put forth this idea that they were valueless and really shouldn’t have to be paid by their employers. They essentially made the argument that newly freed slaves should get a zero dollar wage.And part of the racial divide, part of what made tipping such a race-specific practice, is that there was a cultural stigma where white people would balk at the idea of being tipped because they found it degrading?Exactly. In fact, among the six states that passed tipping bans, five of them were southern states, and it was based on this idea that black workers were the only workers making tips, because there was this idea that you only tip inferiors. That is what I mean when I say the origins are noblesse oblige. The origin is that you tip an inferior. When the practice came to the United States, the newly freed slaves, the black workers, were the equivalent of the proletariat in the feudal system. When these states banned tipping, it was because they were trying to discourage whites from tipping instead of actually paying former slaves.
The origin of tipping is really the feudal system, it’s this idea of noblesse oblige. But when tipping came to the United States, it had a real racial tinge to it, because, originally, the workers who earned tips were almost exclusively black workers—they were newly freed slaves.
There was this massive anti-tipping movement to protest the practice, a resounding populist movement that actually got anti-tipping bills passed in six states across the country, including Washington state and many southern states. What’s interesting is that that movement, the anti-tipping populist one, ending up spreading to Europe and succeeding, because the labor movement picked it up and said ‘we are professionals, and we shouldn’t have to live on tips, because we should be paid by our employers.’ That’s why you see so little tipping in Europe. What we started here spread there and actually killed it at the origin in Europe.
We, on the other hand, went in the opposite direction in the states. The restaurant industry, which was hiring newly freed slaves as tipped workers, really wanted the right to hire these workers but pay them next to nothing. So they put forth this idea that they were valueless and really shouldn’t have to be paid by their employers. They essentially made the argument that newly freed slaves should get a zero dollar wage.
And part of the racial divide, part of what made tipping such a race-specific practice, is that there was a cultural stigma where white people would balk at the idea of being tipped because they found it degrading?
Exactly. In fact, among the six states that passed tipping bans, five of them were southern states, and it was based on this idea that black workers were the only workers making tips, because there was this idea that you only tip inferiors. That is what I mean when I say the origins are noblesse oblige. The origin is that you tip an inferior. When the practice came to the United States, the newly freed slaves, the black workers, were the equivalent of the proletariat in the feudal system. When these states banned tipping, it was because they were trying to discourage whites from tipping instead of actually paying former slaves.
― 龜, Friday, 19 February 2016 01:04 (eight years ago) link
woah. damn.
― shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Friday, 19 February 2016 01:59 (eight years ago) link
luv 2 tip
― karla jay vespers, Friday, 19 February 2016 03:15 (eight years ago) link
https://1minionsopinion.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/tipping-is-unamerican.jpg
― bamcquern, Friday, 19 February 2016 04:37 (eight years ago) link
a bonushttps://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6t782qbI51rw6lx6o1_r1_500.gif
― bamcquern, Friday, 19 February 2016 04:38 (eight years ago) link
just came here to post that article
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Friday, 19 February 2016 16:39 (eight years ago) link
brits, we get it, yr cheap bastards. it's kool.― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:40 (9 years ago) Permalink
Down with slavery.
― Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Friday, 19 February 2016 16:58 (eight years ago) link
required tipping (servers making under a livable wage) is dud, tipping people because they did great is awesome
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 19 February 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link
service charges are making headway in Seattle after the start of phasing in a higher min wage (even with a temporary $1 tip credit discount available to small employers), by all accounts it has been great for the restaurants that have adopted it. But then again this is a town where the bagel shop near my house is offering $250 gift card bounties for referrals so ymmv.
― petulant dick master (silby), Friday, 19 February 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link
is that for referring a new employee? i could get into making bagels
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 19 February 2016 17:28 (eight years ago) link
Yep.
― petulant dick master (silby), Friday, 19 February 2016 17:29 (eight years ago) link
tipping isn't just historically a form of noblesse oblige. And for workers, it's another example of capitalist practice in America, where it is possible to "make a lot of money if you work hard," that element of self-determination and hustling that doesn't seem as present in European countries with more socialist policies and greater social safety nets.
Semi-relatedly, are other sales/service jobs that get a substantial amount of their compensation from commissions and bonuses based on revenue generated for the company by that worker as prevalent in the UK/Europe as they are here in the U.S.?
― sarahell, Friday, 19 February 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
Plenty of sales jobs would have a substantial revenue-earned related bonus/component, no idea if the ratio of basic salary in these roles or if the ratio of these types of roles to overall workforce is comparable tho
― Soon all logins will look like this (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2016 19:15 (eight years ago) link
i went to my first non-asian cuisine fancy no tipping new york restaurant a month back
it was one recommended to be by noted ilxor and tipper max (roman's)
it was the first day of their no tipping policy and everyone was confused, but when the server heard my accent he said "oh you'll get this" lol
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 February 2016 19:46 (eight years ago) link
http://www.grubstreet.com/2016/03/andrew-tarlow-romans-no-tipping-update.html#
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/business/joes-crab-shack-tried-getting-rid-of-tips-it-didnt-last-long.html
In one closely watched case, Joe’s Crab Shack has decided to revert to accepting tips at most of its trial locations, six months after announcing that it would become the nation’s first major restaurant chain to test a no-tipping policy at 18 locations.The casual seafood chain, which is based in Houston and has more than 130 restaurants nationwide, raised its menu prices at the test sites and said it gave higher, fixed wages to its staff. At the time, Ray Blanchette, then the chief executive of its parent company, Ignite Restaurant Group, called tipping “an antiquated model.”But Bob Merritt, the new chief executive, announced in a conference call with investors and analysts last week that the company was cutting back the experiment and that it would continue at just four restaurants, according to Nation’s Restaurant News.Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said.But Bob Merritt, the new chief executive, announced in a conference call with investors and analysts last week that the company was cutting back the experiment and that it would continue at just four restaurants, according to Nation’s Restaurant News.Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said.
The casual seafood chain, which is based in Houston and has more than 130 restaurants nationwide, raised its menu prices at the test sites and said it gave higher, fixed wages to its staff. At the time, Ray Blanchette, then the chief executive of its parent company, Ignite Restaurant Group, called tipping “an antiquated model.”
But Bob Merritt, the new chief executive, announced in a conference call with investors and analysts last week that the company was cutting back the experiment and that it would continue at just four restaurants, according to Nation’s Restaurant News.
Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said.
:(
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 May 2016 20:11 (eight years ago) link
https://medium.com/@driver8/while-no-one-really-believes-that-uber-is-protecting-drivers-from-racist-tipping-practices-the-c47145d2b82e#.t2ea2ij5e
OK, can anyone explain this controversy to me? I heard an American on a podcast say "This is terrible: Uber said they were tipping the driver for us, but it turns out that's not true!" If the tip is an automated %, then what's the distinction between the money in this "tip" and the money in the drivers' cut of the fare?
Shouldn't people just care how much money the driver gets from the fare overall?
Are the complainers implying that they knew exactly how much Uber cut the drivers and were calculating that there was extra money on top of that figure?
― Alba, Friday, 13 May 2016 09:03 (eight years ago) link
being tipped is being paid at someone's discretion or seemingly at someone's discretion if there's no hint of discretion it's not a tip it's just a payment
tipping is weird and makes people think or almost think weird things
― conrad, Friday, 13 May 2016 10:18 (eight years ago) link
It gives a sense of control to the consumer that makes them believe they have power in the transaction, affirming the validity of a class of worker that is more servant that server, paid at our discretion
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 13 May 2016 13:34 (eight years ago) link
https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/internet-explodes-after-a-couple-posts-passive-aggressive-tipping-trick
― 龜, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:47 (seven years ago) link
diiiiiiicks
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link
i wonder if there is a statistically significant correlation between referring to "the wife" and this kind of behavior
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
he should be careful flashing that kind of cash around. pretty soon he won't be able to afford to take his wife to Denny's anymore.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 21:24 (seven years ago) link
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shake-shack-founder-says-tipping-is-a-hoax-142228863.html
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 15:12 (seven years ago) link
It looks like this was covered in that WaPo article posted upthread (last year), but it was new to me:
How did tipping become the norm in the U.S.?Well, the practice has some racist roots––that go all the way back to slavery: pic.twitter.com/pyeAfdJrhV— Splinter (@splinter_news) September 11, 2017
― Beret McKesson (jaymc), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:21 (seven years ago) link
"But what if I told you tipping had a racist past?"
well, I'd stop doing it immediately. Thanks lady!
― sleepingbag, Monday, 11 September 2017 19:37 (seven years ago) link
oh man, there were comments to that effect
that's not how it works, it just makes it clear it's essential unless you go somewhere that you know wait staff are making a living wage!
oy
― mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link
Yes the blanket advice of "leave America immediately" is usually safely good
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
brb going to your "lads" thread
― mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
Hmmm 'oy' might be a fair translation tbh
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
Having just moved to the US, my usual strategy of panicking and at least knowing I will never be back at this establishment is going to fail soon
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Monday, 11 September 2017 22:02 (seven years ago) link
when i moved to canada i just started conversations about tipping with some people, and from that arrived at a blanket 20% tip in all service situations as being generous and therefore not making me look like a thrifty brit.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 11 September 2017 23:00 (seven years ago) link
http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-for-busses-startup-launches-ico-to-end-tipping-altogether-2017-11
― iatee, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
I hate these people
― .oO (silby), Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
startup launches to make poor people poorer
― bridge of donkeys, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
also less free
― j., Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
I don't get it, is there any cost to the 'rater' of rating the server?
― kinder, Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
yeah, it's definitely evil but also makes no sense? I'm sticking with Bodega Box for my startup dollars.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
They should have focused on CEOs. Their cryptocurrency could function both as a review and as a replacement for bonuses and stock options, and would follow CEOs to their next job in the CEO gig economy.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
Today the Trump administration took their first major step towards allowing employers to legally take tips earned by the workers they employ. https://t.co/bs6qMHHj7G— Economic Policy Institute (@EconomicPolicy) December 4, 2017
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/11/business/tipping-sexual-harassment.html
― 龜, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjIeiG2XoAoBicK.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
that person should be imprisoned for 18 to life
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link