Is this anti-semitism?

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toynbee has form in this regard iirc? she attracts spectacular amounts of bile from otherwise mild-mannered folk. i've never read anything of hers i've liked tbh - she seems fairly nasty

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:12 (nine years ago) link

the hadean imagery is a little out of her usual canter, and the notion of mandelson as contaminant......something to be phobically avoidant of, something that will deter people from the correct path (labour leadership candidates clearly lack agency)

mandelson has consistently aggravated the english establishment left's associations, too cosmopolitan (the EU mandarin etc) and too close to international finance, 'intensely relaxed about the filthy rich' vs toynbee's trad aversion to filthy lucre (she is provincial gentry without taint of trade)

she wrote a column identifying herself as an 'islamophobe' which the title apart was fairly innocuous but does recall her grandfather's views about relictual desert religions

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/this-is-how-we-ruined-toynbee-s-theory-1.210993

nakhchivan, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:33 (nine years ago) link

A saint with a whiff of sulphur

Will Rudy Giuliani, the hero of 11 September, now go on to the White House?

by Andrew Stephen Published 14 January, 2002 - 12:00
NewStatesman

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The Richard B. Cheney Vice Presidential Library and Museum, which sources say is impossible to escape from.
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May 1, 2013
Vol 49 Issue 18 News · Politicians
The ONION

Vic Perry, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:35 (nine years ago) link

this is what happens when shit new posters don't get told, but then it took about four months to get rid of tanuki

nakhchivan, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:39 (nine years ago) link

yeah, you get owned by shit new posters. oughta be a law.

Vic Perry, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:41 (nine years ago) link

But in case my serious point was lost, I think we might be understating the extent of anti-semitism if we don't recognize it has even extended to Rudy Giuliani and Dick Cheney

Vic Perry, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:42 (nine years ago) link

want to find out what happened to that nice majali chap

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link

ilxor.com continuing to attract the sort of btl commentbox faeces who would seriously, actually advance the argument that imagery which can be used innocuously in some contexts cannot therefore be sinister in another context

nakhchivan, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:46 (nine years ago) link

what has DJP done not to deserve this week's lecture from you on how race relations in the united states actually work?

nakhchivan, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:47 (nine years ago) link

What is this, Lowell Thomas Remembers?

Vic Perry, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:49 (nine years ago) link

nazir majali has gone a bit quiet in recent years, although he is london based now, which is probably safest for him. apparently he works for a saudi newspaper, which is nice

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:50 (nine years ago) link

loves his sauds does lj

nakhchivan, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:51 (nine years ago) link

i have learnt to love the environmentalist westernised sophisticate branch of the saudi royal family

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:52 (nine years ago) link

they keep pugs, too

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:53 (nine years ago) link

Foreign practices sometimes punished and sometimes simply condemned by Wahhabi preachers as unIslamic, include celebrating foreign days (such as Valentine's Day[213] or Mothers Day.[210][212]) shaving, cutting or trimming of beards,[214] giving of flowers,[215] standing up in honor of someone, celebrating birthdays (including the Prophet's), keeping or petting dogs.[203]

nakhchivan, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:58 (nine years ago) link

why don't they celebrate the prophet's birthday?

Mordy, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:59 (nine years ago) link

the softening of wahabism even within the sanctum of the house of saud extra patriam would make for a fascinating study

when an 8 year-old saudi boy can sing an entire lady gaga album from memory wahabism is a fairly dim prospect idk

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Saturday, 16 May 2015 01:02 (nine years ago) link

anyway all this going off-topic is probably anti-semitism but i work for jews and arabs yolo #bothcool #peace

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Saturday, 16 May 2015 01:04 (nine years ago) link

the revelation that the house of saud don't abide by the rules of the mutaween when abroad probably doesn't represent some earth shattering vic perry level revelation at this point but an endearing picture is painted nonetheless

nakhchivan, Saturday, 16 May 2015 01:11 (nine years ago) link

i have no idea what any of you are talking about btw

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Saturday, 16 May 2015 01:41 (nine years ago) link

disturbing traces of antimemetism there

nakhchivan, Saturday, 16 May 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link

There exists vampire slash fiction where vampire A is Peter Mandelson and vampire B is George Osborne. Apparently aficionados call this 'Mandelborne.'

scientist/exotic dancer (suzy), Saturday, 16 May 2015 09:52 (nine years ago) link

I'm lost

jennifer islam (silby), Saturday, 16 May 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE79G38820111017?irpc=932

Mordy, Thursday, 28 May 2015 00:07 (nine years ago) link

interesting stuff from Jodo re: anti-semitism in latin america:
http://lithub.com/alejandro-jodorowsky/

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link

man I so regret never taking a class with Stavans

jennifer islam (silby), Friday, 29 May 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link

He assimilated as best he could. But he also deprived me of any metaphysics to fall back on.

Real.

jennifer islam (silby), Friday, 29 May 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link

is jodorowsky jewish?

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 29 May 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link

he makes it pretty clear in that interview

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link

forty odd extra letters there than answering the question

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Friday, 29 May 2015 22:57 (nine years ago) link

about 90 w your post

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:08 (nine years ago) link

denied. I dont know the answer, didnt read the article. and theres no set starting contrasting ideal number of letters for the sentiment I'm expressing- that you've been kind of a dick there.

like obv I could've just typed that, but eh it might've come across somewhat short

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Friday, 29 May 2015 23:12 (nine years ago) link

people should read the interview, is my answer

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:21 (nine years ago) link

yeah clear enough. I'm regretting not giving the short version already obv

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Friday, 29 May 2015 23:25 (nine years ago) link

thx thread police

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link

Spoiler alert: yes, but m/l atheist.

nickn, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link

haha waht he is not an atheist!

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:40 (nine years ago) link

Well, that's what I got from it, except for the "cosmic consciousness" aspect, which to me reads atheist.

nickn, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:41 (nine years ago) link

There is no cosmic muffin or hairy thunderer, iow.

nickn, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:42 (nine years ago) link

I... think you are misunderstanding him

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:42 (nine years ago) link

it's true he is not your standard believer of any of the main religions but dude is def not an atheist

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:43 (nine years ago) link

I mean is this a thing an atheist says:

AJ: Another door I opened was mysticism. I’m a mystic. Not in the religious sense, but in the sense that I work with that unnamable entity we call God.

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:44 (nine years ago) link

not in the religious sense?

p much, ya

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Friday, 29 May 2015 23:44 (nine years ago) link

IS: What about God? Does He exist?

AJ: As far as I’m concerned that’s a naive question.

IS: Excuse me for asking.

AJ: Because God is—He cannot exist because He’s beyond existence. Maimonides, a great Jewish philosopher, wrote A Guide for the Perplexed to try to define God. He ended up saying “God is the thing about which we can say nothing.” There are no words for Him; God is unthinkable.

IS: So you do believe.

AJ: I don’t believe in God, but I feel Him. I’d be stupid if I didn’t realize that this vast universe contains life. And it has a creator.

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:44 (nine years ago) link

that's a pretty classic mystical-tradition way to define God - that which cannot be defined, beyond language, beyond comprehension etc. and he cites fucking Maimonides.

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:45 (nine years ago) link

ur v angry about him being an atheist hey

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Friday, 29 May 2015 23:46 (nine years ago) link

like I'm glad you atheist guys think everyone who is not a fundamentalist does not actually qualify as a religious person but that is a nonsensical, ahistorical way to think about religion imo

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:46 (nine years ago) link

it's wrong! he would be angry!

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link

I re-scanned, and maybe you can call him spiritual, but his ideas are not what I think of when I think of a person that believes in God.

xp: I can understand if you think he is religious, though.

nickn, Friday, 29 May 2015 23:50 (nine years ago) link


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