Is this anti-semitism?

every other god-believer out there has a 'all atheists secretly believe in god' argument in their back pocket

i used to take these v seriously & wld pride myself on being able to evade all these arguments w/ my hyper-atheism. i def think the more trad nature of Judaism is attractive in that it seems to sidestep the modern redefinition of & obsession with belief in its post-enlightenment epistemological form

http://fathomjournal.org/antisemitism-and-oren-ben-dor/

ugh so creepy, vile

a lot of horribly & idiotically misused heideggerian language in those quotes, which makes it even creepier

otoh is it really shocking that Heidegger is perfectly compatible w/ horrific antisemitism?

well-

the way you put yr question is somewhat tendentious & i find it difficult to answer

easy answer of course is no, it's not shocking, but this guy's love of heideggerian language has more to do with heidegger the man's nazi affiliations in life than heidegger's philosophy per se

the words are hollowly heideggerian without heideggerian content; those quotes are horrific but also stupid

tbh i've avoided thinking v deeply about implications/relationship of heidegger's nazism to his philosophy

avoided thinking much at all, really :(

i was thinking a bit about it today bc of that article. i hadn't really looked at the black notebooks that had such a fuss about them until today and it is interesting how on some level (tho hardly totally) his philosophical project was related to his beliefs about jewishness

also read some of adorno's critique of hedeigger for the first time today in 'jargon of authenticity'

on some level (tho hardly totally) his philosophical project was related to his beliefs about jewishness

find myself resisting this characterization. but have to think on proper answer. & gotta leave computer rn (lol avoidance)

find it staggering and sad that such antisemitism could come from a jewish man

^yes :(

mordy, really do have to think (& read) about this more, but don’t agree with e.g. guardian headline ("antisemitism at core of his philosophy")

adorno’s critique is another v complicated thing, which i think not so much about antisemitism but (adorno’s) marxism vs (heidegger’s) existential phenomenology

don’t know adorno as well as i should, started ‘jargon of authenticity’ last night

there's a quip i like that (which I'm having trouble googling for attribution or exact wording) that went something like 'this antisemitism enterprise could really take off if the jews were in charge of it." alas, it's not so uncommon. i was just reading this yesterday: "Let us call these perjurious specimens Theobald-Jews. According to the Benedictine monk Thomas of Monmouth in his The Life and Miracles of St. William of Norwich (1173), it was an apostate Jew, a certain Theobald, who, swore that Jews had killed twelve-year old William, a tanner’s apprentice, to fulfill their “Passover blood ritual” in the fateful year of 1144—the first recorded such episode in a long line of murderous defamations." so this has been going on for quite a while.

re heidegger, i'm not prepared to make as sweeping a claim as that guardian headline that antisemitism lies at the core of his philosophy, but i don't think it's controversial to say that his philosophy turned out to be ultimately compatible with his antisemitism + nazism, that it wasn't a paradox in that he was articulating some kind of humanist vision and somehow overlooked its implication for treating jews as humans as well. cf http://www.critical-theory.com/7-new-translated-excerpts-on-heideggers-anti-semitism/ - it is not hard for me to read some of these excerpts and at once a) see how they fit seamlessly into Heidegger's broader projects of history, Dasein, etc and b) where Ben-Dor got it from

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/11/spain-law-citizenship-jews

and it only took half a millennium

http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/02/chapter-3-anti-minority-sentiment-not-rising/

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/07/a-body-blow-for-turkeys-ruling-party-election-erdogan-hdp-akp-kurdish-party/

AKP leaders have argued that an array of “lobbies” are aligned against them and bolstering the campaigns of their rivals. The claims have at times played off anti-Semitic tropes.

“There’s an economic lobby in the world, which is under the hand of the Jewish lobby, and these are the ones who want the AKP to fall,” Muhammed Akar, chairman of the AKP’s Diyarbakir branch, told Foreign Policy. “Not only the Jewish lobby, there is another movement — the Crusaders. Because the AKP government is the voice of the Muslims in Turkey, and all the world.”

fp tends to have better comments than other sites:

The best comment I have seen so far was from Ekaterina Shulman "Today's election results saved him from the gallows, although he does not yet understand". https://www.facebook.com/catherine.schulmann/posts/10207100498781821

Because the AKP government is the voice of the Muslims in Turkey, and all the world.”

ha! try telling that to any muslims not in turkey.

i like the point about erdogan's electoral defeat saving him from himself

the derangement of conspiracy theories need to be calibrated to the actual political conspiratoriality of a country

'no planers' would be towards the normcore end of things in turkey

Writing of Violence in the Middle East: Inflictions
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=1441106308
Jason Bahbak Mohaghegh - 2012 - ‎Philosophy
... where intellectual plurality falls to schizoid conspiratoriality, where knowing goes too far (becoming catastrophic), where enlightenment lasts too long (leaving ...

ftr

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/06/diane-rehm-asks-bernie-sanders-about-alleged-israeli-208583.html

Bern discussed on the 2016 prez thread

it's definitely anti-semitism though maybe not rehm's

There’s an economic lobby in the world, which is under the hand of the Jewish lobby, and these are the ones who want the AKP to fall

that's not really "playing off anti-semitic tropes," it's more what i would call "being anti-semitic"

Rehm woke up late, skimmed facebook, intern out sick

fp is unerringly euphemistic about unpleasant things

http://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/11401533_957258024332333_8029803723645685321_n.jpg

from the founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee UK

And probably the only member of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee UK

Like elves, we sneak into people's homes at night and rearrange the furniture/hide car keys/reset internet routers

That was actually one of Manson's more original ideas.

wtf

creepy anti-semitism or delusional disorder or both

Did the guy who does the facehugger / lady liberty pictures not also claim that the illuminati was waiting until he was asleep and moving his shoes?

For the record, he is a huge anti-semite and leader of a group with an impressive-sounding name but, as Tom points out, about four members. He gets much more media attention than he merits.

Louvre Museum, other French sites refuse to book Israeli students' visit
French governor asks prosecution office to probe the incident over suspicions of illegal discrimination.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.661256

abhorrent, obviously. would have liked to see how the test would have gone had they tried to book a group of students from a Russian university, rather than from an Italian one

ugh. still always surprised by things like this, guess i shouldn't be

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/07/anti-semitism-france-hostage-hyper-cacher-kosher-market

it's really all worth reading. this is from near the end of the piece:

What surprised many was Ghozlan’s determination to leave. He resisted encouragement from a friend and neighbor, Hassen Chalghoumi, the imam of Drancy, who moved to that suburban town, the next one over from Le Blanc-Mesnil, from Tunisia in 1996. He has been an ally of Ghozlan’s for most of the past decade, attending his rollicking Shabbat dinners and hosting Ghozlan for lunches at his mosque. “I told him again and again, ‘You cannot leave,’ ” Chalghoumi told me. “Sammy would not engage in the conversation.”

Chalghoumi is tall and commanding, with an exuberant personality. “The world changed on 9/11,” he said. “At the airport I am often pulled out of the lines.” But the imam reacted strongly when I referred to “Islamophobia.” “I will not use that word,” he said. “That plays into a sense of victimization.”

Chalghoumi gave a speech at the Shoah Memorial in Drancy in 2006. Not long after, his house was vandalized, the contents damaged or destroyed. At a prayer service in 2009, Chalghoumi talked about the need to respect the Jews and their centuries of culture. The next day, around 200 protesters collected outside his mosque, confronting anyone who tried to enter. Many of the protesters waved signs: PUPPET OF THE JEWS. With members of a Jewish organization, he toured Israel with 20 imams in 2012. When he returned, there was a mass of demonstrators at the airport. In 2013, he was in Tunisia with his family when he was assaulted near a mosque. His daughters were with him and have yet to get over it. He spent days in the hospital.[

:(

Like many in his situation, Comte now lives “a bit of a double life,” he said, in France. “I have told all my children, ‘Do not let anyone know you are Jewish. It is a private affair.’ But my youngest son, recently a Bar Mitzvah, insists on wearing a small Star of David. I let him know my concern. I said, ‘You must be careful.’ Now, when I go to synagogue, I have a gun that I carry in my coat pocket so no one can see it. It has come to that.”

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http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/192751/crossing-a-line-to-sell-a-deal

Not to disawov that article completely, I'm sure there's a bunch of anti-semitism in attacks on Schumer and other Jewish politicians in this case, but former Israeli ambassador Michael B. Oren has explicitly stated that US should drop this deal and instead issue 'credible military threat' against Iran. (http://www.vox.com/2015/7/23/9016971/iran-deal-michael-oren) 'Murmuring' that there are foreign interests trying to drag the US into war can not be taboo because of anti-semitism, when there are in fact former ambassadors who try to drag the US into war.

Engage just posted I think all of the 1984 text That’s Funny You Don’t Look Anti-Semitic: An anti-racist analysis of left anti-semitism by Steve Cohen. Lots of interesting stuff in it.

there's some UK history of leftist anti-semitism in the beginning that i didn't know about but it's a little dry and the book really gets interesting around here: https://engageonline.wordpress.com/2015/11/05/thats-funny-5/

http://www.timesofisrael.com/paris-attacks-rooted-in-palestinian-plight-sweden-fm-says/

it's the same conspiracy by which the jews are responsible for all the ills of the world, just sub zionist/israel for jew and you're good to go

It is a rather myopic view, as though we're not on the tail end of a century of western intervention all over the middle east.

BTW there was an article in some Israeli or Jewish paper suggesting some tenuous Israel/Palestine connections to the Bataclan, but I haven't been sharing it because it seems tenuous and I didn't want to fuel the speculation on either the pro or anti-Israel side.

Leftist antisemitism today is the post-colonialism of fools. xp

I think it was (1) that there were some fundraisers there in the past for a pro-IDF org (though I don't think any in the past few years?), (2) that until recently the club was owned by someone Jewish and pro-Israel, and (3) that the Eagles of Death Metal refused to boycott Israel.