if GRRM is smart he will put out the next book just ahead of the next season and make a bajillion more dollars
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
we don't really believe stannis is dead, right? it doesn't make sense to do the cut-away just to reveal that yes, actually he did die there we just didn't feel like showing it
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
xpost I'm kidding. It's not actually a spoiler anymore, but book readers have apparently being speculating for 10 years about who actually wrote a letter supposedly from Ramsey that Jon received right before he died. It said something like "My army has destroyed Stannis' army. I demand you hand over the lady Melissandre. Also my wife and my Reek are missing, give them back to me." After last night it seems likely that Ramsey actually sent it.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
stannis is dead. haven't you seen enough gore?
are we allowed to speculate openly about Jon now? I'm curious if in addition to wolves he might have other...affinities...that only one other character has shown.
― ryan, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
maybe he'll come back next season as the dreaded Ser Stoneheart
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
worgs into wolves, has Hodor-sized cock
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
^^^exactly
― ryan, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
i hope Davos sticks around, i like him. maybe there will be more adventures w/him and melisandre, havent had one of those since the renly takedown in s2.
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
also re stannis, why'd they rush out to confirm that kit isn't going to be in the next season, that jon is 100% for sure dead, and then not discuss stannis. i'm telling u it's very suspicious he is still alive i believe stannis 4eva.
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
After learning a few more spoilers today (nothing massive but I probably shouldn't have read Arya's wiki entry) I realise it really isn't safe for me even though I already knew some other bigger spoilers that haven't been on the tv show.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
he gets sent elsewhere in the books and gets "entrusted" with another mission. pretty sure Davos will return next season.
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
xxp - do you think that at the moment Brienne is gonna kill stannis, sansa and theon appear and disrupt the execution?
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
are we up to speed now w/the books?
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
no but i think brienne is not exactly trustworthy to carry out a cold-blooded execution
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
They should have somehow engineered it so that Sansa and Theon land on her as she's about to land the final blow.
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
i do wonder about the possibility of characters being brought back because that whole deal in season 3 w/beric and his crew would be a really, really odd side story to not bring back. i assume in the books it was used as a tablesetter for lady stoneheart?
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:39 (nine years ago) link
an odd story to not revisit, i should say
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
still don't get why anyone would think Renly had a right to be king
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
bc he was kind to them and they were an ugly duckling
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
because everyone hates Stannis basically
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
he does have the exasperated look of a sitcom patriarch
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
Book SPOILER: Most of book four especially takes place in the Riverlands, in the region most harmed by the War of Kings, and while Beric and crew doesn't play a big role, they loom heavily over the proceedings. Show has removed all those stories, thereby also removing the most potent thematic layer in the whole series, kinda.
― Frederik B, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
xp if max wright had set fire to andrea elson on ALF
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
sacrifices his daughter to the lord of light and STILL he can't beat the boltons, nothing goes right for this poor guy!
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
The disappointment of saving a daughter for years waiting for the perfect moment, only for it to be a waste.
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
cersei's new golden guy going to have some good storylines, I know it.
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
looked to have a real bad hypertension problem going on underneath that helmet.
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
i think the mountain zombie does indicate that Jon Snow might also return from the dead
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
and then they can fight
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
why is mountainstein any evidence? You're already got the lord of light extra lives cheat code. No need to look beyond that.
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
Also Jon may have a cousin who burned herself up and came back with dragons
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
I'll accept Jon Snow coming back to 'life' only if it is as a wight
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
just narrative proximity.
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
i hope joffrey comes back
― ogmor, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
Do we know Robert Baratheon is dead? It didn't happen onscreen.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:40 (nine years ago) link
next season should just be all the dead characters wandering around in purgatory
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
"oh, you're dead too?"'well, I might be reincarnated as a wolf, not sure yet"
It was honestly really weird that they didn't show Stannis dying, not least since they showed his moral downfall in such detail.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
Ok I can buy that Stannis telling Brienne to "Do you duty" reminded her of her duty to protect Sansa. And that she decides to keep Stannis alive to trade him for Sansa.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link
peggy killed stannis.
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link
Or, they just decided to choose the POV angle for his death blow? Is that so ridiculous? Why all the denial?
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
Stannis sent off to recuperate with The Hound and Benjen Stark and Catelyn's uncle and gendry. Can't wait for that B-team to step up in season 8.
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:59 (nine years ago) link
he does have the exasperated look of a sitcom patriarch― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:48
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:48
My favourite post today.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
bc in genre fiction if you don't see the person die you better believe they're still alive
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
>next season should just be all the dead characters wandering around in purgatory
MAYBE THIS *IS* WHAT WE ARE WATCHING!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
nb it could very well be that this is another one of GOT's genre defying moments just to screw with the audience, but any genre savvy watcher/reader is going to skeptical of a death that isn't shown
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
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― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i guess i could break down exactly why stannis dying here is different than robert dying in season one (i can think of like four reasons off the top of my head) but if you don't get the feeling that the quick camera break away was concealing some narrative trickery than i'm probably not going to convince you
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
Didn't King Robert have a funeral with the body there?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link