Star Wars 7 shit talk

Also I think he's completely wrong about it being the film's ruination that Vader isn't a cartoon villain - it's the mirror edge of Luke being a dark-wearing force choking badass in the first half of the film, and that kind of hippyish outlook is def. part of the series success.

You want to see a good John Milius film? Watch "Dillinger".

Conan towers over Jedi easily.

Meanwhile, coordination. (This is about the group tracking everything in the current fictional universe and how things are doled out/planned/assigned:)

http://www.gamesradar.com/how-do-you-keep-track-everything-massive-star-wars-universe/

A fave quote:

Kieron Gillen is writing for one of the most iconic characters in popular culture. Set between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader picks up the Sith Lord’s story after Han Solo sent his TIE Fighter spinning. “We pitched freely in that [time period], but I’m a writer who knows how story works,” says Gillen. “There’s a start to this story – Vader, disgraced, after the loss of the Death Star. There’s an end to this story – Vader, on the bridge of the Executor, more powerful than ever, hunting his son across the universe. I’m not going to pitch a story that doesn’t tell how Darth Vader got from one to another, y’know? Even with my reputation, I’m not going to suggest an arc where Darth Vader packs it in and becomes a superstar DJ in the Star Warsian equivalent of Ibiza.”

ehhh the forest battle maybe rises a little above "okay." ernest goes to camp's forest battle was "okay." but you're not wrong exactly. the forest leg is definitely the movie's weakest in part because there is just no character story being told at all since leia and han don't have one. luke is on a quest but the rest of them are just getting into some scrapes - together again, here we go, gang! that's not super compelling.

but i think the emperor stuff all works. it would be better if it was its own, super-tense thing by itself, without the intercutting... luke gradually realizing maybe he's fucked up and his big hunch isn't going to work out at all. hammill probably plays him a little too confidently throughout, also. but i still think it's got great atmosphere, with that awesome set. and mcdiarmid's ice-cold galaxy-ruling monk motherfucker is great. you can see why lucas kept going, wrongly, back to the well of "character confrontation scene with major space battle as backdrop outside."

rotj looked pretty poor in comparison with the first of the new Star Trek films. good news i guess for the new films!

Was it Jedi that had the giant asteroid worm?

i don't have a problem with the emperor stuff in theory, i just think the glacial pace of those scenes is a poor substitute for tension. like we know vader and luke are going to do battle again, the emperor just has to give a two day speech while they stand there.

asteroid worm = ESB

By Jedi they were just too focused on making the particular Luke-Vader myth payoff. It was never really the central focus of the movies until after Empire came out. When they dropped the twist in Empire it really doomed Jedi to be the cleanup episode. Too many soap opera style speeches not enough space exploration.

Also the tone of Jedi is just cartoony, even wo the Ewoks. There are a few Harrison lines that should have been delivered deadpan and have this really over the top wide eyed "Whaddaya gunna do?" performance to them instead. Or for example when he is sneaking up to that one stormtrooper in the woods and he steps on a branch and everyone is looking on from the side. Straight out of a Scooby Doo cartoon.

Palpatine is more interesting having watched the prequels, but even for 8-year-old me he was a sorry Emperor: the cackling, sloshing what Pauline Kale called tobacco juice in his mouth to make him look sinister, the lame dialogue.

I do like the Emperor's choice of throne room: an abandoned control room or something.

What also doomed 8-year-old me was reading the "novelization" of the movie, which had the back stories and temptations fleshed out that the movie didn't. Worth noting: the Emperor wasn't a Sith, but a lowly bureaucrat with the right combination of guile and luck who got lucky.

to an extent that's still true

alfred, not sure if you saw that bill kristol came out with an argument in favor of the empire.

I remeber an attack scene where papers are flying around like an indoor tornado and blue lights were flashing up the dark room occasionally revealing the emperor's hellish face.... That scene rocked. At Least I remember it rocking.

take out the speeder bike, some Jabba bits and the stuff with Vader and Luke and ROTJ is pretty thin. the Yoda bit is cringe-y in particular.

i could imagine a plausible slate pitch arguing rots is better than rotj

alfred, not sure if you saw that bill kristol came out with an argument in favor of the empire.

― nomar, Tuesday, October 20, 2015

the Empire will compensate him if he dies!

ace poster when it was first announced mind

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Return-of-the-Jedi-Poster-2-05032015.jpg

^^ a Burger King collector's cup waiting to happen

just realized I want a space pirate SW film directed by Robert Rodriguez

dude, totally.
STAR KIDS
for that, i would buy advance tickets

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltr73nHgDf1qzgpx9.gif

ha, there's alot of RONG and rmde in the deadspin piece (go figure) but this is great:

After wearing Luke out with furious lightsaber skills from one end of Cloud City to the other; after bashing him to a pulp with flying space toasters; after blasting Luke out of a window and chasing him out to the end of a lonely windblown plank far from everyone who has ever known or cared about him, he lops the little pissant’s entire hand right the fuck off and then, then, only then, figures the time is right to go, Oh and also, I fucked your mom.

I haven't really thought about Star Wars in years, but after reading this thread and thinking about it, I've decided The Wrath of Khan>>>>>>Return of the Jedi

was that ever in doubt?

That poster is incredible.

Khan is better than all the Star Wars movies

btw is Scanners the best use of The Force in a context outside Star Wars?

love this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tP5tZ_ekXs

Khan is better than all the Star Wars movies

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:22 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Def all but Empire. Empire is really amazing though.

I would have a hard time picking. Yoda and the whole Dagoba thing is incredible. The Luke-Vader reveal at its most shocking. The extreme chiaroscuro lightsaber fights. Millennium Falcon pulling out the incredible asteroid belt chase. So many brilliant moments. The ending shot is insanely beautiful.

Khan is classic and has the better performances but the world design in Star Wars is formidable.

There are several points in Khan where the film really slows to a crawl and characters just sit down and reflect. Which is not bad, it's a different movie, but Empire has a more engaging pacing imo.

impossible to give a shit about kirk's son in khan; not sure there's a comparable weakness in empire. otherwise a masterpiece obv.

i'll go empire over khan also but as someone who was on board w/ star wars literally almost as far back as i can remember and someone who only really watched tos a couple of years ago and always kinda scoffed at star trek in general (though i somehow ended up seeing all the movies and enjoying most of them) i will say the kirk-spock-bones interplay TOWERS over luke-leia-han. kirk also more of a badass than han though han way more plausible a ladykiller (nevermind lando).

I don't mind it -- Khan has a good script, and as a result those hanging out scenes with Kirk and the crew are Shatner at his most likable imo.

Empire is a visual triumph.

i will say the kirk-spock-bones interplay TOWERS over luke-leia-han.

star trek has people in it.

I was seven when Khan was released (a big deal too -- I remember it was the movie that Trekkies thought it was the movie of their dreams), so can't remember how loud the scoffing was at Mr. Rourke playing a supervillain.

* uh, the movie of Trekkies' dreams

is Montalban's Melville quote the best delivery of this line? Better than Gregory Peck's at any rate.

xps- not that the characters are much deeper than star wars' as written (tho i agree the hegelian spock-bones-kirk relationship is way more important than sw's campbell stuff) but the actors had had so much time to build out the roles.

all of montalban's deliveries are the best deliveries.

from a tos purist perspective khan is actually kind of a sellout, right -- straight hornblower space opera instead of high-concept exploration. star wars with olds. but then i guess the tos purist knows the whole point is the crew anyway.

THIIIS IS CEETI ALPHA V!

i feel bad now cuz my uncle who knew i LOVED star wars took me to the star trek movie thinking i know 'alright kid, get ready for the real deal', he wasn't a trekkie but he loved trek, and man five year old or whatever me was just not on board w/ star trek: the motion picture. i know when i was a little kid i used to say 'i'm bored' alot, almost reflexively, and i can't even imagine what a little turd i was coming out of that thing.

yeah i think from the tos perspective the movies were way too militaristic (although they address this kinda in khan!); that kinda hornblower stuff is catnip for me though, if/when i get old i'm pretty much just gonna sit around w/ my dogs and read patrick o'brian novels all day.

pretty sure the cast said the same thing

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my pet amongst the towering montalban inflections is "of course! we are one big happy fleet!"

There's that moment when Chekhov and the Paul Winfield character realize Khan is serious about putting those worms in their helmets when the camera cuts to Montalban not going for the grand effect but standing with a small, deeply satisfied grin that's more evil than any Palpatine cackle.

It's really a funny comparison, since Star Trek is all about looking back in that movie. They have Kirk's birthday and the old man glasses. There is a lot of "We're getting too old for this" in the Bones-Kirk talk. And they bring back an old villain from the show. It's funny since Star Wars seems to be the most unashamedly self-cannibalizing nowadays.