This is SHOUTING-for-MODERATOR thread pt. III!! [derailed: go to thread IV]

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eh, there is an incredibly unsafe for work pic on the What Happened To Geir thread on ILM: What happened to Geir?

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

i feel a bit ill now, actually

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Firstworld Communications (NETBLK-PBBRIDGE82)

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

This thread has been tubgirled AGAIN as well.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good work Sterling, beating me to the punch.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

i went to go take care of it, but can i say that i'm really thankful i didnt have to?

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its appeared on ILE once before the tub girl stuff at that IP address here.

Im at home today so its not such a biggie. But please people, if you post a link to the message itself it can be edited with being viewed directly.
(Just click on the admin link for any message and replace the message id with the one for the offensive post in the URL and you got nothing but html of tubgirl.)

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

PHWOAR LOOK AT THE BOLD TAGS ON THAT ONE

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good old gaping anuses, who got that post before I?
Bang Part 2.

Im of half a mind that we keep the post and remove the image so we can keep track of the aliases and the IP addresses being used.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK, we have about five or six in a row from the same IP. You'd think they'd show some creativity instead of using old old old (like five or six years) pictures from E/N sites.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Something incredibly obscene and horrible just happened here-- p2p song/artist mislabeling: a crime against humanity

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tubgirl's getting 'round, she's on the "I hate sex." thread now too. This is crazy!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

We been dealing with it all afternoon, same two pics, same IP.
I suggest we add a couple of if statements to the code to stop loading of redcoat.net and goatse.cx servers. More effective then IP banning at the moment perhaps.

I Hate Sex link was deleted.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Hopefully I will never ever EVER encounter the phrase "good old gaping anuses" again)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can't we just use the GPS and launch an Intercontinental Balistic Missile at Calum whoever this fucker is?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why thank you Dan.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

As I think one or two people on this board are aware, visiting a link on this thread: Song Poems: RFI turned out to be a disaster for my computer, which was imediately infected by a Backdoor.Apdoor.bIŽm trojan horse (jfhwlsg.exe) and a series of glossalalia trogan proxies
(snip)
The American Song Archives is one such rogue site

Forwarding Burden, I and many of my friends have been to the ASPMA site at least a hundred times, including that page, and have _never_ had a problem. I took a look at the source code for the page, too, and don't see anything that could be an exploit.

Are you sure the timing wasn't just a coincidence? That site is a very, very popular one, and I'm on a couple mailing lists that discuss song-poems -- I'm positive that someone would've said something by now were there a problem, and Phil Milstein is a "known figure" in the outsider music community: I'd be very surprised if he's planting trojans on websites. (Have you tried emailing him? It's possible that his site was hacked.)

Phil (phil), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Looks to be about 10 pictures from those two sites on ILM, 3 on ILE at least including one of each to this thread.

If at all possible we should add an if or switch statement to the 'ihttp to IMG SRC' routine to convert those to a picture of Ma$e or something.
But it does look as if the attack has ended at the moment, I just cracked a cold one to entertain myself with too, ohwell.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

convert to ma$e!!!

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you have a browser that can apply a .css file to pages viewed, (Mozilla and safari can do this), create a text file called something like imageblock.css

add these lines to the file

A:link[HREF*="redcoat.net"] IMG { display: none ! important } A:link[HREF*="goatse.cx"] IMG { display: none ! important }
IFRAME[SRC*="redcoat.net"]  { display: none ! important }
IFRAME[SRC*="goatse.cx"]  { display: none ! important }

save the file and select in s the style sheet to be used by your browser. In Safari open the preferences and select the advanced tab. No more tubgirl.

You can also use this to block banner ads and the like.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry that should be

A:link[HREF*="redcoat.net"] IMG { display: none ! important }

A:link[HREF*="goatse.cx"] IMG { display: none ! important }

IFRAME[SRC*="redcoat.net"]  { display: none ! important }

IFRAME[SRC*="goatse.cx"]  { display: none ! important }

It occurs to be that ilx could use css in this way to block undesirable content.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I doubt my browser is new enough, seeing as it really, really doesn't like css sites but that sounds like an even better soln for those with such ability.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

time for a new browser (unless its work in which case you'll have to lean on someone to give you a new browser which will let you prevent the office being polluted with anal fountain pics)

Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Are you sure the timing wasn't just a coincidence?' Very sure - I actually witnessed something download, far faster than I could react, although I couldn't at first find where in my system where they'd nestled. I managed to loacte each of the offending files (ten) - all created on the date I visited the site - over the next few days.

'Phil Milstein is a "known figure" in the outsider music community: I'd be very surprised if he's planting trojans on websites'. As opposed to a "known figure" in Motown -- is outsider music going all Motown? I too would be surprised.

Forwarding Burden, Thursday, 5 June 2003 20:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

time for a new browser

OS system doesn't support anything newer, VC++/hard drive won't allow a third browser.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 June 2003 20:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

what OS?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 June 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

This day will go down in history as The Day ILX Drowned in Nacho Cheese.

Sommermute (Wintermute), Thursday, 5 June 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can a moderator delete Jon Williams's needless giant-picture posts on the "Indie Guys With Trucker Hats" thread? I felt that the discussion there, however heated, was really interesting, and now it's a mess.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can someone please do something clever and resize the larger than life puppy picture I posted on here

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 12 June 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hello all. I was bored and fiddling with the database to see what changes Alan made. He changed the database command that generates the New Answers page so it took 10 times longer to compute, which explains why not just that page but the whole site has been sluggish since I quit. I've restored the page to how it was. I'm sorry the New Answers page keeps being fiddled with.

I apologise for letting him near the server. Is there anyone here who has a clue what they're doing re:SQL that can take over?

Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, that was just lovely of you, wasn't in Graham.

RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, fuck it. Exactly why are you such a rude, arrogant little shit?

RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

er, cup of tea and a biscuit mr tunnicliffe?

gareth (gareth), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because the alternative is jumping off a bridge?

Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am sad to write this, but if we're going public.

In response to worries about slower response times I did indeed try changing the main newanswers query -- I experimented back and forth between my new code and graham's, with no obvious difference I could detect. I was worried about the slow down -- it predated my changes and i don't know where it came from. Graham noticed a difference between his and my code and here he is telling me about it.

I will not access the server ever again. Graham do not ever write to my personal e-mail address again.

I cannot work co-operatively on a project like this with someone who makes it unpleasant to work on. Does anyone else want to try working with graham?

Alan (Alan), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

i. graham we would prefer you dealt with these issues like a grown-up please
ii. the person currently giving up the time to be the techie-on-call has the absolute right to make changes s/he sees fit
iii. you ASKED to be stood down, alan offered to take over, and has done so/no one here has any problems with the way he does it, perhaps in part because it doesn't come with constant attention-seeking tantrums
iv. you have a tremendous capacity to convert ppl you owe a debt of gratitude into enemies (i'm not going to list them on-line, we've talked about it often enough via email or on AIM)
v. when i blew up at you that last time, publicly, it was because you were asking basically "why is it that no one is ever nice to ME here the way they are to [whoever] when [whoever] has often behaved as hatefully as i have?" => the answer to this (which i was too angry to want to state at that time, in case i stated it in an unforgiveable way) is that [whoever] makes a noticeable effort to be nice to other ppl on-line, even ppl s/he has no pester-interest in or much liking for... in other words [whoever] displays a balance of nice and unpleasant qualities... for some reason you pretty much enitrely dropped the "effort to be nice" thing, i think on a sort of "i refuse to be nice to anyone until ppl are routinely nice to me" basis
vi. this basis will only bring you grief, believe me

ok that was a cross-post with alan: i'm not rewriting, it's not worth it

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks for doing a lot of work on this place Alan, I'm sorry that Graham's constant interference and ingratitude has soured it for you.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

alan thanks for the time you put into this: it is of course greatly appreciated

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, cheers Alang, you are a gentleman, scholar and infortunately out of here. Let me buy you a pint for your perseverance.

(Of course I will hide this pint in a round situation and therefore it won't feel all that special - but I am tight like that).

Pete (Pete), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Some history:
1. I seriously need to quit ILE.
2. I spend more time than I can afford making changes and tidying things up.
3. Alan offers to take over.
4. I accept his offer. I ask him to check with me before making major changes. I tell him the code is a bit messy and he should check with me before . I also ask him to keep a record of what changes are made.
5. I hear nothing from Alan, so assume he must know exactly what he's doing. I notice him changing things without any visible record of what is being done.
6. I email him about this. He sends me back a list of changes.
7. Today I notice changes he's made are what's slowing down the system. I correct them.

The point is that he's going on about being unable to work with me when he's never even tried to.

Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am going for a run to cheer myself up.

Alan (Alan), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

And once again, sorry for trying to help.

Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

That history does not in any way excuse the general tone of your last post.

RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

for last read previous but one.

RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean, is it childish to be angry with someone who said you could trust them and let you down? I never said he was in charge. I just needed someone to give the password to so I could go off and try to get on with my life. Well that worked well, didn't it? And once again I'm being persecuted by the same horrible cliques. Still being expected to accept that my emails will never be replied to (Shall I name names? No, better not). Still being expected to accept levels of heartbreak normal human. Being kicked in the teeth for trying to do something to make me happy, or daring to like other people. What the fuck do you people want from me?

Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

For starters I want you to stop smearing my friend.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

what might actually work, graham, is if you apologised for your hateful behaviour, rather throwing out passive-aggressive sulks related to your strings-attached help (well, i don't know whether it would work for alan — that's for him to decide — but it might go down a tiny bit better with everyone else reading)

anyway, i guess you've got what you wanted: we now get to ask you day and night, once again, to consider and enact any and all changes we think for to request, in return for exactly the same thankless take-the-tech-support-for-granted that pissed you off so much last time

one of the reasons ppl don't go out of their way to be nice to you is possibly that when they do they know from a history of yr behaviour that it will simply be thrown viciously in their face in a few days/weeks/months time (what youi just did to alan being a picture-perfect example): after the dust is settled, they know you will busily start portraying whoever made an effort to be nice/be helpful as the villain... so why even bother starting?

this bad loop (kindness => bad feedback => end of kindness => worse feedback) can be broken, but not by anyone other than yourself...

(cross-post again)

in answer to your question: we would like you to try to make an effort to learn to treat other people on the planet as if they mattered in themselves, not just as part of your plans for them

on our world — that of the regular users of the board — giving alan the password worked fine

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well maybe people should started treating me as if I mattered.

Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hadn't noticed any slump in technical performance recently, therefore I regret to say that I will not be able to welcome the prodigal son back with open arms to deliver us from the chaos that's sprung up in his absence. Sorry.

(X-post) Graham, you have a way of squandering sympathy and goodwill that is second to none.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why should your goodwill matter so much when my goodwill is thrown back in my face day in day out? Or more often if they don't want it they take it anyway.

Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:56 (twenty-one years ago) link


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