Star Wars 7 shit talk

she's not sad, she just has Space IBS

your jokes are bad

You're ugly

nothing a few weeks in a bacta tank can't fix

eeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Japanese trailer wAS awesome! Childhood redeemed! Everything redeemed!

Stormtroopers flamethrowing people was a little O_o but I guess that's what happened to Owen and Beru...

xp hope this movie is all flashbacks of anakin in mos eisley cantina

Meanwhile, to tide us over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tND2re_D1A

new TV spot

https://twitter.com/twitter/status/663370431877918720

i bought tix to opening night the day they went on sale. three theatres sold out within minutes. I suspect if you are going to see any other movie the weekend of 12/18 you might have a private screen for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU-s_HAEwsg

The Falcon tearing out of the forest is cool as shit.

yeah

That's the one that's actually pushed me over into "this might actually be great" (to the extent that the originals were great #noshakey).

YouTube put an ad before that trailer!

boy you guys are really easily excited by obvious Apocalypse Now refs eh

― Οὖτις, Friday, November 6, 2015 4:44 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i would deeply love it if you got the fuck out of this thread forever

lol

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your images are too htmly

Oh noes how embarrassing

only Οὖτις should be allowed to post on this thread

I was thinking about the points some have made, including in the Red Letter Media thing kingfish embedded above, about how two generations in a row have apparently just totally dismissed or forgotten the Jedi's influence and the significance of the Force, etc. I think it's easily plausible to lose that kind of familiarity and context in the span of a generation; how many millenials would read Red Storm Rising and realize all of that shit was completely in the realm of possibility around the time they were being born? Who among us remembers why we needed tactical nukes to address the possibility of armor columns coming through the Fulda Gap?

https://tribzap2it.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/star-wars-salacious-crumb.gif?w=500&h=250

mb there are explanations but something does seem a bit implausible about the ~20 years between prequels and original trilogy being long enough for the force to become little more than a myth (wouldn't han solo have already been a teen at the time the jedi were wiped out?), but the story of one jedi appearing from somewhere and doing some stuff (or so we hear) seems something much easier for most to have forgotten a few decades on.

the force was sort of scoffed at even by some imperial dudes in the original trilogy who were around vader 24/7/365, in the office with him for morning meetings and rolling their eyes at him like he was this weird mascot. there were plenty of military dudes who underestimated or condescended to him to their own detriment/humiliation/death, like one could plausibly suggest that those who witnessed total jedi strength firsthand were few and far between (and many were dead) and tbh the deaths of almost all the jedi in the prequels sort of undercuts their rep as the most skilled warrior class.

one of the slash fic novels published touches on the long and uneasy relationship between Tarkin and Vader, fueled by mutual respect of the other's talents and jealousy of the other's relationship w/the Emperor.

Also: Imperial military bureaucracy didn't know quite what to make of weird metal man dude. Is he a Sith? Does he work for the Emperor? His place in the command structure isn't really set until The Empire Strikes Back when the death of Tarkin (to whom he obv reported) and knack for killing his officers makes him second in command really.

palpatine uses surviving a jedi assasination attempt as a way of completely seizing power though. really think the jedis in the prequels should've been scarce, w/ obi-wan this young, worldlier one that was arrogant enough to ignore the asceticism of his order cuz he wanted to have fun fighting in the clone wars and anakin was his best friend who was a hotshot pilot that was curious about ben's mysterious religion and so ben decided to teach him and it turned out anakin was a natural only he had none of the foundation of whatever they teach in some distant monastery and so was probably doomed to be lost to the dark side even before he ran into some machiavellian sith lord. if you ignore the prequels though it becomes very easy for ppl, esp in an entire galaxy that was previously dominated by an evil totalitarian govt and now finds itself in some kind of cold war, to know little and believe less about some space wizards. luke skywalker and han solo may only be known as some dudes that got some medals for blowing up a death star. it makes total sense that nobody may know that darth rejected the dark side and betrayed the emperor and is princess leia's father.

well, only Yoda and Ben knew; the only other one who did was one of the million voices crying out and suddenly silenced.

wookieepedia confirms - bail organa was on alderaan when it was obliterated

man there's a lot of reasons i'm happy the internet didn't exist when i was a kid but wookieepedia is one of the few non-pornographic ones

the whole seduction of the Anakin to the Dark Side was way too easy. they could have done something with the "cocksure top-ranked Jedi lacks mental discipline" angle rather than turn it into a generic teen angst tale.

also the "You were supposed to be the chosen one" bit from Obi-Wan wins the blue ribbon for over-explanatory dialogue.

xxpost

also, was Darth always intended as a Sith title as opposed to just being the character's first name? In Ep IV, Obi-Wan says "he is called Darth Vader" which implies at the time it was just seen as his first name and then retconned into being a Sith moniker.

And he calls him "Darth" during their duel.

"Dahhth" rather

the force was sort of scoffed at even by some imperial dudes in the original trilogy

iirc luke thought it was a bunch of hooey at first

I think Han's attitude towards Jedism is completely appropriate for a person who might have been just starting formal school during the clone wars. "What, those assholes who sucked and then died while defending some utopian model of governance I can barely remember? I'll have one trusty blaster, please."

I'm wondering if even when Jedis were still a thing here and there that you didn't get plenty of your officer corp not really able or wanting to comprehend these mystic robed dudes with psionic powers and weird melee weapons. It's striking a memory of Jon Pertwee's Doctor being constantly fed up with all the U.N.I.T. brass he'd have to deal with and who were only able to think in very direct, 1st-order, linear ways. "How do you like that, Jo? An example of 'the military mind!'"

So you have that table of officers in ANH sitting around and perhaps only fully grasping what Vader is/can do when he chokes out a dude for mod sass.

This whole "Jedis were forgotten between the original and prequel trilogy" thing becomes even more complicated if you accept Star Wars Rebels as canon (which if officially is), because in that series all sorts of random people know what the Jedis are/were, and don't consider them a myth, even though Rebels take place only 5 years before ANH.

Really, the easiest way to reconcile all this is to treat ANH itself as not fully canonical. Maybe it's a story told by a not-fully-reliable narrator (remember, it starts with the words "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away", so clearly the storyteller himself didn't experience these events, more likely he's repeating second or third hand accounts of things that happened centuries or even millenia ago)? This would explain all the things in ANH which feel out of place compared to the other movies and shows: the Jedis weren't totally forgotten in 20 years, Tarkin did know that the Force is a real thing and not just a religious concept, Obi-Wan would've known "Darth" is a title and not the name of a person, etc.

Then, from TESB onwards, the narrator changes into someone else, someone who had better knowledge of the events (or better history books), so there's less inconsisctencies in the story.

one of the slash fic novels published touches on the long and uneasy relationship between Tarkin and Vader, fueled by mutual respect of the other's talents and jealousy of the other's relationship w/the Emperor.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, November 8, 2015 9:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haven't read this one!

lol @ having to retroactively make the original damn film non-canonical

I dunno, I think it's fine. The Galaxy is a big place, just because Jedi have been active in the last decade in some parts of it does not mean they wouldn't be regarded as a semi-myth elsewhere.

Although Tuomas' weirdly literal metafictional musings are always a blast to read.

I got the feeling the Jedis were (no surprise, a la Kurosawa) basically like these wandering samurai, whose reputation preceded them but who were so far flung, dwindling in numbers and rarely if ever seen in action. And in so far as Darth is weirdly subservient in the first film, it's like he's been trained into Zen-like docility, not unlike Yoda - so powerful he doesn't need to use his powers. Which of course makes no sense, because whenever the Jedi roll over they die (like Darth and Yoda and Obiwan). If there's a huge hole in this narrative full of huge holes, it remains that "I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine" nonsense. Sure, in the sense that you can't kill a ghost ninja a second time, but other than that all the dead Jedi seem to do is sit on logs and mope. They seem like they'd be a lot more useful alive.

The second biggest hole in these films is why everyone is not carrying lightsabers. Sure, deflecting blaster rays seems pretty tough, but you'd think they'd still come in handy, like a fancy Swiss Army knife or laser Leatherman.

just think that... obviously the whole force/jedis thing wasn't really worked out until after the first The Star War film, and that this is probably fine? It's, like, a series of kids films about a war in space.

the whole jedi ghost thing is something that apparently took long periods of study and meditation during life, although anakin just magically shows up as a jedi ghost, so who the hell knows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eul1NlwytF4

"Who's your tailor? I *love that outfit."

I suspect Anakin's Jedi ghost was just a deliberate rule-break to tug at the heartstrings and drive home his redemption.

Or maybe Jedis are like Protestants in that deathbed changes of heart give them their old powers back.