Mystery Science Theater 3000: C/D, S/D.

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Okay we have some more info and he's basically wanting to do MST3K: The Next Generation here. Hopefully not season two.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/10/mystery-science-theater-3000-reboot

Those who he hopes to get involved include past cast members and writers, as well as a brand new cast that includes a fresh host as well as a new mad scientist and new voices for famous wise-cracking robots Tom Servo and Crow. “Basically, I’m trying to blend the old with the new,” says Hodgson. “Mystery Science Theater has already refreshed itself once with a completely new cast, so I think it deserves to do that again. The original cast is going to be invited back to write, produce, and do cameos as their mad science characters, and then there’s a new cast with new talent.”

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link

Meantime, Mike on it all, understandably:

https://www.facebook.com/mikeatrifftrax/posts/1167399969942922

I loved my time at MST, but I was in essence a hired gun. The brand does not belong to me, and I make and have made (almost) zero dollars off it since it stopped production in 1999.
But HAPPILY -- I've spent nine years putting all my energies into RiffTrax (we now have created more tracks than we did in our time at MST!) and we have tons of exciting stuff coming up, including more live shows, more feature length stuff (including one of the finest films to ever feature an NES Power Glove), shorts, etc., etc.
As a fan of riffing of all kinds I'm glad there's going to be more out there, but just wanted to give a fuller picture of why I'm not involved.
Let me just close by saying how enormously grateful I am to be able to continue to work at something I love. So, thank you, all.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 00:12 (eight years ago) link

<3

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 02:37 (eight years ago) link

Truly Hodgson-Nelson are the Lennon-McCartney of our time.

thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link

IMO the cast is just as important as the concept. I'm not sure why they can't or won't be involved?

Evan, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link

I agree with that statement. As much as I've liked Cinematic Titanic's efforts (and have, largely, not liked Rifftrax's), there was a special kind of alchemy at work with the Best Brains lineup.

Still gonna kick over a few bucks, no doubt.

thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link

Already up to just under a million. So five million is looking pretty likely.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link

And yeah re: cast being as important as concept -- I said this over on FB after Joel's general goal became clearer: "I still think the fact that the original show just agglomerated over time with its key figures all being from a local scene generally off the radar, especially in a pre-widespread Internet age, is part of its genius, combined with how they owned being FROM Minnesota in turn. I can't see that happening again here now."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link

Also there's something a hair odd about Joel's statement yesterday, I realize -- "Mystery Science Theater has already refreshed itself once with a completely new cast." Ye-es, but not all at once. When the first major change occurred before season two and the last before season eight, that's a lot of time for people to adjust and for a slew of different approaches and dynamics to emerge.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link

LOL, someone on the Deep 13 FB group just expressed relief that Joel wasn't going to be a "Yoko" to the Rifftrax crew.

thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link

Roffle.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:02 (eight years ago) link

I just noticed that a large number of the absolute high end rewards for the campaigns are gone or mostly gone already. I shouldn't be surprised!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link

comedians who thrive in their 30s often don't in later years

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link

OTM about the small local scene thing - the homemade, labor-of-love aspect of MST3K was a huge part not only of its aesthetic appeal but also of the quality/confidence/consistency of the riffing. There's a certain shared Generation X sensibility and set of references, that really feels pre "90s" if that makes sense. Like 80s college rock or something. I don't think that could be re-created for various reasons. Too much spotlight, too much time apart, too much Internet, too much self-awareness. I dunno.

Frump 'n' Dump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link

True, a reboot will almost certainly not feel so thoroughly "handmade". Too much polish and this might, like everything else these days, have too much of that sterile/mobile-site design vibe which would create a tonal discrepancy vs. the VHS feel that was consistent across set and the films themselves. If that makes any sense to anyone else.

Evan, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link

Are the robots going to be new voice actors? Cos if so that is a kind of a big letdown for me. I've seen many rifftrax and the ones w non-mst3k riffers were not all that entertaining tbh.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link

IMHO it's kind of amazing how lucky a set of voices they had in Kevin, Trace and Joel - they just sounded good in the theater, and the characters were likable with a lot of range in the kinds of jokes they could pull off. Latter-day Crow always sounded way too smarmy and sophomoric to me, especially since they seemed to stick him with a lot of weaker jokes that were just kind of "hey, movie, you suck!" as opposed to the more clever references. I'm sure if you started with those episodes his voice sounded just fine coming out of the puppet but it's never clicked with me and even as I've been exploring Sci-Fi-era episodes more of late, it still grates (though not as much as the seemingly endless and very hammy host segments).

Frump 'n' Dump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link

we didn't even really see the characters for most of the show, just hear their voices. they are a HUGE part of the show.

not that i dont think Joel could pull it off but i haven't followed his post-mst3k career. is he working w new VA now? are those the people in the kickstarter video?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

Guys, if the rest of the world gets to be excited over more g-d Star Wars movies, I can get excited over this.

thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link

hahaha that's fair. i mean if it happens there's no question i'd check it out. i just worry joel is becoming the guy who very eagerly and visibly wants to get the band back together when they've all moved on to other things, while somehow nothing he's attempted since has quite stuck. (though i know lots of people love cinematic titanic so that's not quite true.) he's gambling his stored-up capital of geek-culture fondness from the early 90s and if it's a flop it might really change how people feel about him generally. OTOH, if it gets a lot of exposure through netflix or something, it could introduce a whole new generation to MST, to riffing, to RiffTrax, etc. etc.

Frump 'n' Dump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link

sounds like jonah ray is involved. if so im out. as my friend said its like a greek tragedy. "we are bringing back your favorite show of all time... EXCEPT ITS A NERDIST JOINT" noooooooooooooooooooo

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 18:33 (eight years ago) link

really curious as to who, if anyone else, is involved in the reboot. is tv's frank coming back?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 18:34 (eight years ago) link

There's like nearly 200 episodes of this fucking thing, why do we need more?

bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link

Frank has a lucrative career trolling Twitter conservatives, can't imagine he wants to leave that.

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link

there's like 10 million shitty movies and they keep being made.

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link

first up: Zero Dark Thirty

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link

xpost -- I'm imagining the alternate dimension where somehow there were only 200 bad movies and MST3K took care of them all.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 23:27 (eight years ago) link

Anyway, up to $1.5 mil so at the current rate, probably hitting the $2 mil minimum sometime tomorrow, and presumably $5 mil during next week.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 November 2015 22:11 (eight years ago) link

Also, a general update with responses to various questions:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/bringbackmst3k/posts/1413188

The financial breakdown is good. It's the answers to questions 2 and 3 that delve deepest.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:00 (eight years ago) link

Also, if this isn't even more of a clear dig at Mallon, I suspect...or is it just simply an acknowledgement that it was all pretty much a shoestring?

Until yesterday, I wasn't even sure this whole Kickstarter idea would work. I've reached out and spoken with some of the old cast and writers, but until I knew how much money we'd have to work with – and when we'd start writing and shooting – there was just no way to make the specific offers that I hope will bring many of them back.

Plus – as many of you know – so far, the old cast haven't been compensated as well as they (or I) might have liked. I wish I could go back and fix that, but if I'm going to ask them to participate in the next season, I want to be certain we can pay them what they deserve this time.

Read another way too -- keep in mind Joel's comment about the cost of movies rising as MST3K got more popular -- the cast *themselves* realized they were worth more, and would be especially so now. It's an undercurrent here that maybe isn't getting as much play as it should beyond the comment above.

Anyway, he has to walk a fine line and I don't blame him.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:02 (eight years ago) link

Also of interest is this from Variety:

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/mystery-science-theater-3000-shout-factory-new-season-1201637585/

Given Mallon's directly quoted here too, however much it's press-release talk, hmm.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:11 (eight years ago) link

Some key stuff from that story, BTW.

Shout! Factory has acquired cult comedy series “Mystery Science Theater 3000,” Variety has learned.

The news of the acquisition comes the same day Joel Hodgson, the creator and writer of “Mystery Science Theater 3000,” launched a Kickstarter campaign to fund a new season of the show.

With the new deal, negotiated by Shout’s David McIntosh, Shout! Factory now has the proprietary rights the “Mystery Science Theater 3000” from Best Brains, Inc., including all brand assets and global intellectual property. The media company is partnering with Hodgson and his company Alternaversal, LLC on future endeavors surrounding the “MST3K” brand, including plans for new content development, digital media initiatives, live events, merchandise licensing programs and content syndication to international territories.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:12 (eight years ago) link

At the end of the day, our goal is to make each feature-length episode of MST3K for around $250,000.

To put that in perspective, that means we're spending less to create 90 minutes of MST3K than even the lower-end reality shows spend to make 22 minutes! (Really makes ya think, don't it?)

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:12 (eight years ago) link

those actually are pretty reasonable answers. interesting that he does touch on the compensation issue. and it's a fair point that had there been more than two hosts, adding one more to the set wouldn't seem so weird. also makes me appreciate him not making himself the host, which presumably would be a huge draw - it'd really feel like a classic rock act with most of the members replaced by hired guns, as if only the lead singer had ever been important. so, yeah, okay, all new. I'll think about it.... but ned, my god, stop donating before you bring ruin upon the house of raggett!!

Frump 'n' Dump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:15 (eight years ago) link

yeah they are doing a good job here. can't wait to see what happens.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:19 (eight years ago) link

I half suspect the answers were partially prompted by reactions like this earlier piece from today.

http://flavorwire.com/547225/somethings-not-right-about-the-new-crowdfunded-mystery-science-theater-3000

Which touches on a lot of things I've noted above in the answers, but I'm still really curious about two things:

* What IS Mallon's involvement?

* What exactly is Shout! Factory budgeting/contributing for the new show in all this? The quote from the rep is "Shout has also made huge investments already just to make this possible," so I'm wondering if that's the actual physical location for shooting.

None of this is me going "OH HOW HORRID," more just wondering about the economics. Though Mallon really seems to have been poison for a number of the original folks in recent years. Certainly Mary Jo didn't hold back a little while ago.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:25 (eight years ago) link

I find this rundown from the Flavorwire piece of specific interest:

“I’m not involved at all with the Mystery Science Theater 3000 reboot,” Nelson noted on Facebook, and then followed up: “I loved my time at MST, but I was in essence a hired gun. The brand does not belong to me, and I make and have made (almost) zero dollars off it since it stopped production in 1999.” Bill Corbett concurred: “No, I am not involved in this.” J. Elvis Weinstein “won’t be participating.” Trace Beaulieu: “Not involved at all,” and the kind of Dr. Forrester cameo Hodgson alludes to “won’t be happening.” Mary Jo Pehl is not involved. Frank Conniff hasn’t yet commented publicly; neither has Kevin Murphy, but considering his ongoing relationship with Corbett and Nelson, it seems safe to bet he isn’t in either. (It sounds like there may be some ill will over residuals from the old show —when I reached out to Rifftrax about their recent addition of old MST3K episodes to their streaming library, I was told that, among its benefits, the new syndication gave “Mike, Kevin, and Bill a chance to see direct economic benefit from MST, where since the show stopped airing, they have received either very limited, or no compensation.”)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 November 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link

New interview yesterday on Vox. Carries a bit of the skeptical tone elsewhere in the introduction; the interview itself has some tidbits. Thus:

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/13/9727784/mystery-science-theater-kickstarter-joel-hodgson

It'll be slightly different, but it will be built off the narrative where we left off. The Kickstarter costs more upfront because we're paying for those upfront costs — building sets, new costumes ,visual development, building models, upgrades to the puppets. Tom Servo will be able to fly around in the theater, and Crow's going to be able to walk and stuff like that. There's all these little neat things.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 November 2015 14:18 (eight years ago) link

Annnnd fully confirmed Joel wants Jonah Ray as the new host:

http://bit.ly/mst3k-update4

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 November 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link

yuck

Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link

yeah eff this if that is the case

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:31 (eight years ago) link

it will be sad to see mst3k go the way of this new school nerd marketing. this must be what it feels like for punk fans when their bands sellout.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:33 (eight years ago) link

The show was always way nerdy tho?

thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:35 (eight years ago) link

i draw a line between pre-internet era nerd culture. mst3k comes from that. the era before you could record a podcast of yourself ranting about nostalgia for something massively popular like Back to the Future and call yourself a nerd.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link

heh, i love that kind of arbitrary line-shifting
like i don't consider anyone a millennial if they're over 21

i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link

But what's the difference really? If in conversation I said "some people are skeptical about the nerdist direction" and they asked why I'd shrug. That being said my only real exposure to nerdist related media is via the @midnight show.

Evan, Monday, 16 November 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link

it seems more about comedy and marketing than genuinely liking these old b movies. theres a level of contempt and detachment i dont get from the earlier mst3k crew.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link

it just comes across more cynical to me.

its not really an arbitrary line, either. this is the era of two massively successful Lord of the Rings trilogies, Game of Thrones, and Harry Potter. was there ANY pop fantasy in the 90s at all? i am struggling to think of anything past Xena.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link

Is it also just a danger for less obscure references to records/movies/books? Is it the hypothetical shift from hipster-nerd humor to gamestop-nerd humor?

Evan, Monday, 16 November 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link

eh i am just doing the time honored internet tradition of griping about something before it comes out lol

i can just see the first episode of mst3k stopping about 5 mins in for this guy to give shout outs to his friends podcast and btw courtesy of comedy bang bang here is a special guest star blah blah. just give me rocket number nine, isolated, in space.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link


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