What no one ever mentions is the faction that was neither Jedi not Sith that pushed for true balance in the force, no specialization, all aspects in every being.
The great master Ren taught this. Vader was their unknown martyr, having walked both paths, although he knew his real teacher by a different name.... Jar Jar
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link
If the only black main character in the new film is related to the only black character in the other films I am going to leave this shit behind
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 01:05 (eight years ago) link
i've seen TONS of discussion on if the girl is leia's daughter or han's kid or whateverand plenty about WHERE IS LUKE including in this thread! i like the "he's the new emperor" theory, maybe using dark force powers makes you all wizened and shit and yoda used to be a wookie but he worked the darkside out of his system right after he got all frank oz with it? like, okay, the force is weed but the dark side is HEROIN
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 01:43 (eight years ago) link
If Rey's not a Skywalker I'll eat my Fett
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 01:59 (eight years ago) link
Rey is Yoda's kid
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 02:15 (eight years ago) link
Well then. Imagining how that came about. Thanks.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 02:30 (eight years ago) link
Anybody see the nonsense about BB-8 identifying as a female? Completely shot down by citing comments from the producers that referred to it as "he" but I admit to seeing some logic in the theory. By "logic" I mean shorter and curvier than other droids.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 02:34 (eight years ago) link
i keep seeing ppl being like "Oh Luke is totally evil now, no question"
and to them I say:
fuuuuuuck youand based on WHATand fuuuuuuck you
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 02:36 (eight years ago) link
He's in the damn trailer with R2, and R2 would have bailed out if he was evil.
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 02:56 (eight years ago) link
mark hamill is inside the melted vader mask. actually, it's not a mask -- that's just what mark hamill looks like in 2015
― thwomp (thomp), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 02:57 (eight years ago) link
R2 going evil could set the stage for his battle with this new droid. BB-8 takes him out, but not before he apologizes in a series of books and beeps as the light dims on his panels. R2's sacrifice returns Luke to the light
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 02:58 (eight years ago) link
thomp with the truth bomb
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 02:59 (eight years ago) link
Man nobody's gonna ruin this movie faster than nerds with fanfic aspirations
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 03:02 (eight years ago) link
it's the same idiots who thought kylo ren was luke in the first trailer telling the vader mask he's going to finish what he started
ohhhh so luke is space hamlet now jfc
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 03:03 (eight years ago) link
Ren is actually Sammy Hagar
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 03:40 (eight years ago) link
I'm not super deep into the SW mythos (seen all the films, like the original 3, hate the prequels), but Luke going bad doesn't seem like a crazy left turn or anything. He's had 30 years to slowly get there, and probably didn't just wake up one morning thinking "dark side, yeaaaaaaah!"
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 03:42 (eight years ago) link
yeah but would be kinda like the Go Set a Watchman conundrum all over again. He has this redemptive, triumphant moment the last time we seem him on screen only to see him take an incongruous jump to the dark side in the 30 years since?
kind of a jarring character turn to happen off-screen without context.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 03:43 (eight years ago) link
i'll be happier if there isn't some goddamn huge plot twist in this one cos I enjoy the internet and not looking forward to it breaking on 12/19
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 03:44 (eight years ago) link
A lot of Revenge is about Luke's journey towards the dark side!
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 03:52 (eight years ago) link
but he averts it, the whole "triumph of will" thing with the fireworks at the end!
who knows, maybe his daddy issues sent him back
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:00 (eight years ago) link
if you don't think there isn't going to be a massive TWIST to keep people freaking out and waiting for the next installment
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:01 (eight years ago) link
Uh the obvious plot advancement here is Luke's realization that mastery of the Force is basically a terrible weapon in anybody's hands (ok, hand) - "The Force Awakens" spells peril for the universe, not salvation. Welcome to the post-Cold War Star Wars everybody!
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:01 (eight years ago) link
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:01 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the twist isn't even needed, really. all they need to do is leave one easter egg in the film and fans' minds will begin wandering. look how much chatter the endless spinning top needlessly generated in Inception
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:07 (eight years ago) link
Welcome to the post-Cold War Star Wars everybody!
Star Wars finally gets its The Quest for Peace entry
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:08 (eight years ago) link
that top TOTALLY twitched at the end
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:10 (eight years ago) link
just hoping JJ Abrams doesn't insert some bullshit time travel subplot into this one
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:11 (eight years ago) link
i can't tell if ppl are pretending not to have read spoilers or informed speculation when they do their predictions here. in any case looks like luke is obi-wan now sorta. i think he's gone hermit for the reasons tombot suggests. he's got the beard and he dresses like ben and it looks like he's living in some rock hut thing they got in ireland. i'm not sure we'll see him much, in this one at least. i was thinking we might not see him until the end but there's that shot of him petting r2 and it looks like that might be in the aftermath of the first order coming in and burning that desert village. abrams said this one is basically self contained (like a new hope was really) but idk. that dude is a liar. i could imagine it ends w/ riley accepting her destiny and luke deciding to reengage w/ the world, the old all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. casablanca.
― balls, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:14 (eight years ago) link
Oh I read the top nerd aggregators on a pretty regular basis, my predictions are WELL INFORMEDand I mean we have kingfish on this thread, you think he's fooling around?
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:16 (eight years ago) link
considering hamill's most notable roles of the past twenty years it would be something if instead of having him turn into obi-wan you had him turn into yoda. cackling, maybe insane, and then when you get past that a grumpy old man who gut instinct is 'it's pointless to try'.
― balls, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:17 (eight years ago) link
you kids, you don't know what it's like to have to go all the way to Tosche Station to get power converters, now the damn things get delivered same-day by probe droids
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:18 (eight years ago) link
idk how much we can spoil or speculate! like nobody reliable has seen anything that really indicates kylo ren's parents or that han solo dies but man i've seen enough that i have a strong feeling han is kylo ren's dad and kylo ren is gonna kill him. i have less to go on w/ this than ppl buying into 'finn calrissian' have admittedly. the red letter dude's totally sold me that nu-hoth is the nu-death star. crazy prediction i'm going to make that has no basis from anything: nu-death star belongs to the rebels.
― balls, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:22 (eight years ago) link
The twist is that at the end Han finds an origami unicorn on the dashboard of the Falcon.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:24 (eight years ago) link
i wish people did this kind of speculation when there was, say, a new frederick wiseman film"they are TOTALLY gonna show a christening in this one"
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:24 (eight years ago) link
I would love to see the Werner Herzog take on Lucasian universe/franchise-building
Kind of like how I will go to my grave wondering what it would be like if Wesley Willis joined the post-Onanie Bomb Boredoms
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:30 (eight years ago) link
Oh wait the answer to the first idea is the WORLD WE LIVE IN NOWI'm slow
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:31 (eight years ago) link
Herzog film needs Siamese Hutt Twins
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 04:50 (eight years ago) link
Notorious smuggler, Fitt Zcarreedo
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 05:34 (eight years ago) link
And what haunts me, is that in all the faces of all the wampas that Probe 11-38 ever detected, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. I see only the overwhelming indifference of Hoth. To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the wampas. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food. But for Probe 11-38, this wampa was a signal, a reason for being.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 05:37 (eight years ago) link
Boort Floss, Probe Wrangler:
My opinion, I think 11-38 thought these wampas were big, scary looking, harmless creatures that it could go up and scan and beep at, and they would bond as children of the universe or some-odd. I think it lost sight of what was really going on.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 05:44 (eight years ago) link
Little Dameron Needs to Fly
― weatheringdaleson, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 06:33 (eight years ago) link
Even Ewoks Started Small
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 07:45 (eight years ago) link
i wish people did this kind of speculation when there was, say, a new frederick wiseman film"they are TOTALLY gonna show a christening in this one"― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, November 10, 2015 10:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, November 10, 2015 10:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol. which american institution will he tackle next?
bait shop
DMV
motivational seminar
pest control
organic farm
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 08:42 (eight years ago) link
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"What am I, her royal highness's chopped liver?"
http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/6742229_f260.jpg
― Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:03 (eight years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Based on the fact that they're letting Daisy Ridley use her natural speaking voice and not having her adopt an American accent (unlike Boyega), my current speculation based on everything so far released is:
- She's Luke's daughter- She's never met her father- Her mother is someone we've never met and won't meet in this movie- Luke will not show up in this movie until the final reel
― Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:05 (eight years ago) link
We're never told Yoda is male, and he's got the same voice as Miss Piggy, who we know (per the above) had a thing for Luke, so I posit that Rey is the child of Luke and Yoda and that is why he wears a mask.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 14:29 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, would be Yodo if a male.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link
YODO
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:10 (eight years ago) link
#YODO
will John Williams work in the Imperial March even tho there is no Empire, Y or N
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:14 (eight years ago) link
b-b-b-but what about Yaddle?
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/3/3e/Yaddle-SWE.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120204065352
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link