Mystery Science Theater 3000: C/D, S/D.

Turns out, BTW, the reason why Corman may have finally caved was due to this. Hadn't heard about it before!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/roger-corman-lawsuit-blames-citco-784033

mst3kinfo commenter said:

He invested $73 million invested in a hedge fund run by corrupt fund manager. Only $13 million had been recovered, at least from last I heard. He may have lost as much as $55 million! Reports also say he’s looking to sell his whole Concorde-New Horizons film library.

love Frank... maybe i shd come to SF for Sketchfest

jeez Roger, you're almost 90, liquidate.

Also, I was thinking about this earlier and another mst3kinfo commenter put it into clearer terms:

Interesting to note that the new Kickstarter season would release to DVD/blu-ray around 2017 – the same time that the original series DVD releases would be hitting a wall. Perhaps Shout and Joel timed the new season with this in mind? They can’t make any more new volumes, so they will rely on a new series, releases of Rhino volumes, and (fingers crossed) KTMA volumes.

I do think there IS something to this, not necessarily an overriding factor, but at least a contributing one.

I forgot I'd even seen Teenage Caveman as the title conjures up something so, so different from what you get. You can only imagine how ripped off you would have felt at the drive-in. Vaughan was 28 but could pass for 40 and there's just nothing very teenagerish about it at all except for the stock "rebellion against the old ways" crap. Just a chore of a movie though I'm sure I enjoyed it fine as an MST.

Agreed, amazing that it's down to so few films left! I remember when they started coming out at all and it just seemed ridiculous, like one of those really really long anime shows getting adapted and there seemed no point in buying volume 1 since the odds of volume 123 ever coming out seemed slim to none. And yet here we are. A bunch of the "unreleased" ones are still heavy-hitters though - Incredible Melting Man, Escape 2000, fuckin' Human Duplicators (top ten episode for me).

Has there ever been discussion about releasing any of the KTMA stuff, even just say, one set of hand-picked ones for "fans only"? Or is it the case that those episodes don't even exist in archival form? I've been stymied trying to watch any of them by the whole nth-generation-VHS-copy-ported-to-youtube factor.

Well there was a bit of a rumor going around per one of Joel's Kickstarter comments about 'the EARLIEST MST3K episodes' or something like that as a bonus reward. Seeing as Season 1 is fully licensed by Shout Factory, it could just mean digital downloads of that, but perhaps something more? I honestly can't see it -- Joel has spoken before about how he looks pretty dimly on the episodes as very much them experimenting with the form, often very lackadaisically -- and it would mean a huge new amount of rights questions -- I think KTMA's estate (as such) has them rather than an incorporated Best Brains. But maybe it's the skit footage? In any event, given how there are a load of great/weird movies they did for that protoseason, plus the first three that have never surfaced in full, one can dream...

In any event, torrents are floating around of the full KTMA season as we have it, and I just used those.

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T.B. on Facebook and twitter still seems a little ambivalent and not 100% onboard with nu-mst3k and tbh i think some of the casting feels a bit on the nose, like they're aiming for avclubbers more than trying to recapture the spirit of the original show.

lol xpost that's part of what i was referring to

You can't go SoL again.

Shit, I wish they were aiming for avclubbers, feels more like they're aiming for Nerdist.

The whole thing is a Nerdist/Geek & Sundry production, isn't it? It certainly feels that way.

feel like joel found a community of sycophantic successful people among the la comedy dude scene in the last couple years and when the rights came back to him he wanted to do it all himself/his way with his new pals. probably very organic and natural in joel's world but a total turn off to fans like me.

I like Vaughn and Yount, so I'm still somewhat interested

i still want to believe it could turn out being great and i'd look like a real jackass for doubting. but part of me already feels like it's a mistake, that just going through with the hype and the campaign and stuff has ended up damaging joel's reputation in my mind, or how i think about that lovable guy on the screen with the robots... it's stirred up some stuff we probably could or should have known about years ago (re: compensation, his relationships with the rest of the cast) but that everybody was apparently willing to keep under their hats. but this is basically a selfish response on my part: i don't want my heroes to have feet of clay. in real life, my heroes would like to find steady work doing something they love and who am i to tell joel hodgson not to follow his bliss? i dunno. again, maybe it could turn out being great.

okay one thing: wouldn't have killed them to make the host a woman. just saying. one of those things that i definitely didn't pick up on watching this show in 1993 but that now (very occasionally) really leaps out of me in 2015. show's a sausagefest aside from mary jo pehl. that doesn't reflect its fanbase imho, but it does maybe reflect the kinda gross feeling of a lot of actual real-life riffers who think they're funnier than they are, getting together and not actually being that funny. now i'm projecting my feelings from disappointing nerd podcasts back onto the show again and i know that's not really fair. blah! just saying.

Real talk

Yeah no disagreement with any of that.

And I think Kurt S said it right too a couple of posts back.

beyond the humor so much of the appeal of the original show was in its cable access show budget feel and how these cats just emerged out of minnesota with this amazing program. i started watching it around the same time as my friends started passing around crappy VHS dubs of john woo movies, and kids in the hall was on late night CBS, and it was just this really great time for off-the-radar cult shit.

i'm not gonna get too upset about it, i guess. the show is impossible to ruin for me at this point. it just reminds me a bit of the time they brought back WKRP in the '90s with michael des barres and tawny kitaen or whoever seemed like a great idea to cast at the time. i agree on the la comedy dude scene thing. the rest of the guys i think don't live in l.a.? pretty sure trace moved back to MN after his AFV gig wrapped.

New update

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/bringbackmst3k/posts/1432821

With this:

Finally: I've started reaching out to all of the original cast to make formal offers. I can’t share specifics, but Shout Factory has been working with me to figure out how we can make it work for everyone.

Before you ask, I don't know who will decide to come back and who won't. Some of them are busy with other projects, and a few of them have said they just don't feel like getting involved right now. Whatever they decide, I will respect their decision... but I'm hopeful that some of them will come back and join us. And if it doesn't happen now, maybe they'll come back in the future. The door will always be open.

Plus this:

On the next season of MST3K, I'm planning to put a set of official "Mission Patches" on Jonah's jumpsuit. You'll be able to see them on camera, and they'll look something like this:

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Anyway, as you can see, each patch states the number of "MISSIONS" that the host has been on, which is just something I wanted to do to give Jonah a sense of perspective on things. He's joining a pretty elite group, and I've seen him get cocky, so this set of patches represent a subtle "hazing" process for Mr. Heston.

hm, that seems like kind of a dick move

please let part of the hazing be he has to shave his goatee

or goatee beard, whatever the fuck that is

unrelated, but killing me right now:

"There's been an accident at the studio, sir."
"We made Hobgoblins."

Excellent unrelated joke

Also unrelated: Other Space S01E07 "Be a Buddy, Not a Bully!" was one of my favorite robot moments ever. Good use of establishing the buddy campaign early on just for that one joke.

Updates updates.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/bringbackmst3k/posts/1435392/

A note for next week:

Every night next week, we'll be livestreaming a different MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATER 3000 DOUBLE FEATURE: two of our favorite episodes, back-to-back!

Just like our Turkey Day Marathon, each night's MST3K DOUBLE FEATURE will include one episode from when I hosted, and one from when Mike hosted. I'll do a new introduction for each movie, and then we can all watch and riff together on Twitter and Facebook. Maybe we'll even share more fan letters!

From Monday to Thursday, join me each night at 4pm or 7pm PST.

On Friday (our final day!) we'll start at 2pm PST. That's because we've got something really special planned from 5-10pm PST to end our Kickstarter. So, I also hope you'll save time to join us for our final countdown. I'll tell you more about that on Monday.

well hey, I'm down for that

Christ on a cracker:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/bringbackmst3k/posts/1439433

4. OUR GUEST WRITERS

But remember, now that we’re doing somewhere between 9 and 12 episodes, I’m happy to report that a lot of our amazing friends have agreed to come join us as guest writers. Here’s a list of writers who have already agreed to come help out:

DAN HARMON, the incredible mind who created Community, hosts the Harmontown podcast, and co-creator of the very funny Rick & Morty.
JUSTIN ROILAND, the other creator of Rick & Morty, as well as a very talented voice actor/comedian/artist, and a huge MSTie.
ROB SCHRAB, an original remote writer for MST3K, co-founder of the seminal Channel 101… and now, director of the next Lego Movie.
NELL SCOVELL, a long-time collaborator and friend, will be “in the house” too. She’s currently writing on the The Muppet Show but has worked on The Simpsons, Newhart and It’s Garry Shandling’s Show, among others.
ERNIE CLINE, the New York Times best-selling author of Ready Player One, which will soon be a movie from Steven Spielberg! If you’ve read RP1, you know how good Ernie is with cultural references.
PAT ROTHFUSS, the New York Times best-selling author of The Name of Wind, has offered to have a “story breakfast” with me and go over “story beats” for the next series… and a few of you can join us!
PAUL & STORM, the hilarious musical act, W00tstock founders and stars, musical contributors to Despicable Me 2, my good friends and the hosts for Friday’s live “Final Countdown Telethon” will be contributing riffs and some special music!
DANA GOULD, the brilliant comedian and former Simpsons writer, who will also probably appear on camera as well for a cameo or two. But actually, that gets into the area of our Guest Cameos, which is a topic I want to save for tomorrow.
ROBERT LOPEZ, the EGOT-winning songwriter from Avenue Q, The Book of Mormon and Frozen, has offered to write some original songs for us!

Seriously, Cline of all people.

Somehow this explains this:

So, like I said, we've now made offers to all of MST's original writers. While it seems like most of them won't be available to join us, at least for now, I still hope they’ll decide to join us later. We'll always be glad to have them back, even if it's just for an episode or two when they can spare some time.

rolling thread of stuff worth reading on videogames is all i know about Cline and it's not good.

btw for those playing along at home, that's one woman out of ten guest writers. dunno what exactly that speaks to but it does intensify my worried sense that joel's circle of good people to draw on has gotten pretty lopsdied. :-/

still just totally contemptuous of that a-wings at yavin howler

oh god that list this is going to be insufferable

ugh fucking gross

never heard of w00tstock, are its founders and stars a bigger or smaller get than jonathan coulton would have been

I know you guys are nervous but I still want to be excited about this in general.

i've been to like 3 w00tstocks, love paul & storm but still dunno what i think of all this

witholding judgement til i see the thing

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Well THAT about sums it up.

BTW seeing this from Elvis T in 2003 shows how so much has rapidly changed:

Well, I do have broadband and a sum total of 150GB of storage over a couple of drives. My consumption rate of DVD-R blanks is pretty scary.

Ha! FYI Ned, whenever I think of how many MST episodes we've worked through over the past three years and think "Man, I've become quite the MST expert in my thirties," I see your first response in this thread before my eyes.

Is there anywhere else on the internet expressing doubts about this reboot besides ILX? Actually curious, I haven't been looking!

From the get-go most have made their peace with the idea that it wouldn't be MST3K the way we know it.

yes but over the slow drip of info it's crossed that line from being something new to being something you once cherished now being the realm of unfunny hacks. i would trade the new host and half the writers for TV's Frank

Harmon is involved, let me guess, the robots will be drunk, how funny

The 'bots have been drunk. Multiple times. Gypsy's days are wine and roses and Richard Basehart.

my favorite post itt

jess (dubplatestyle)
Posted: May 27, 2003 at 1:41:06 PM
mitchell roxx u r all john saxon

Now what.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/bringbackmst3k/posts/1440198

Now, listen: there's no way we can 100% guarantee this stuff, because these nice folks are all really busy… but they're also really big fans of MST3K, and they've each said that if we can fit into their schedules, they'd love to do a cameo in one of our new episodes!

So, here are a few performers who are interested in appearing on MST3K next season:

JACK BLACK, the brilliant comic actor and musician, star of everything from the Kung Fu Panda films to the wonderful School of Rock… though to some people, of course, he's better known as one-half of Tenacious D. So, I don't wanna tell you anything about what I'm planning for his character… but I think it would be a lot of fun to have him perform a song.
JOEL MCHALE, who I first knew as the hilariously dry host of The Soup, and who has been expanding his acting career into television (as the star of Community) and film (the Ted movies). I met Joel at a friend's wedding last year, and we became fast friends. He's a really nice guy, so even though he's in demand for big-time revivals like The X-Files, he says he's up for joining us too!
BILL HADER, the incredible changeling/actor/impressionist who has appeared in everything from SNL to Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs to Trainwreck. I’ve always been amazed by Bill's talents, and was finally introduced to him backstage at SNL by a mutual friend.
NEIL PATRICK HARRIS is a true renaissance man whose career spans film, TV, the broadway stage and the internet, where he appeared opposite our own Felicia Day in Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog. Funny enough, though, I actually met Neil through mutual friends at the Los Angeles Magic History Conference, where we geeked out on magic together. Also, I'm honored to point out that Neil has always been a MSTie. In fact, he was included in first MST documentary – This is MST3K – all the way back in his Doogie Howser days!
JERRY SEINFELD, my long time friend, and of course, one of our most brilliant stand-up comedians. Jerry was also the co-creator of Seinfeld, and the creator and host of my favorite concept for a talk show, Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee. You know, I’ve known this guy for over thirty years. I actually remember him from when he only had one car.

A JACK BLACK SONG IN MST3K, GREAT.